Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

Nope, he's not dead at all. Prob at the "soup kitchen" right now eating caviar and watching Netflix on his Obama phone

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

[Anonymous]

One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

Considering the fact that you don't seem to know anything about the case and probably don't even know the difference between manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, I don't think anyone is considering your opinions/prediction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

Considering the fact that you don't seem to know anything about the case and probably don't even know the difference between manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, I don't think anyone is considering your opinions/prediction.

Ok. We shall see!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

You called in the police to attack some poor homeless person for daring to be in the train car with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

I would be forever grateful for Daniel Penny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

DP. The man who shot and killed the aggressive threatening man on the Metro was found not guilty. Properly, imo.

"Stopped" means "stopped".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That happens like maybe once for every 200 calls. You were just lucky that the next stop had someone ready to take the crazy out.
Most subway stations don't have that. In fact, I've seen people jump the turnstiles right in front of cops. The cops don't do anything because that is not their assignment.
It's stupid.
The underground crawls vermin of all species.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

DP. The man who shot and killed the aggressive threatening man on the Metro was found not guilty. Properly, imo.

"Stopped" means "stopped".

Are you talking about the FBI agent who raped a couple of women? haha

That doesn't mean anything when you are talking about criminal charges. If you are a coward and shoot some loser because you aren't man enough to fight, expect charges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

I would be forever grateful for Daniel Penny.

+1000. I am an NYC resident and if I were on this jury no way would I vote to convict. I was in a train car with an unhinged person who was screaming threats last week and it was terrifying. My train commute is 6 minutes, and it literally felt like hours. You have no idea what people are prepared to do and there’s no escape if you’re on a moving train with someone like that. And they’re so small/packed so tightly that someone with a knife or small weapon could do a TON of damage before being apprehended at the next station.

And to those of you (who obviously don’t ride the subway) who are calling people out for being hostile to the homeless - this is NOT your run of the mill homeless person just sitting quietly on the train. This particular type of person is deranged, belligerent, and often actively threatening people. It could be an empty threat, but who knows. There have been plenty of high-profile incidents recently where it wasn’t. I’d be very grateful for anyone willing to step up and neutralize that person when I’m trapped on a train with them.