Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

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"On Thursday, forensic pathologist Dr. Satish Chundru testified that Penny’s chokehold wasn’t what killed Neely, but instead “the combined effects of sickle-cell crisis, the schizophrenia, the struggle and restraint, and the synthetic marijuana.”"

Good lord, this poor guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"On Thursday, forensic pathologist Dr. Satish Chundru testified that Penny’s chokehold wasn’t what killed Neely, but instead “the combined effects of sickle-cell crisis, the schizophrenia, the struggle and restraint, and the synthetic marijuana.”"

Good lord, this poor guy.

If you were on that train with your young child or elderly parent, would you still be calling him a "poor guy?" Have you ever been a victim of extreme violence by a random stranger?

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Anonymous wrote:"On Thursday, forensic pathologist Dr. Satish Chundru testified that Penny’s chokehold wasn’t what killed Neely, but instead “the combined effects of sickle-cell crisis, the schizophrenia, the struggle and restraint, and the synthetic marijuana.”"

Good lord, this poor guy.

If you were on that train with your young child or elderly parent, would you still be calling him a "poor guy?" Have you ever been a victim of extreme violence by a random stranger?

DP. I think they mean poor Daniel Penny for being charged and prosecuted. When it seems clear self defense and defense of others and also that Penny was not the cause of Neely's death.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

He was defending others, they were in fear of death. The prosecution's witnesses testified to that (strange tactic by the prosecution).

so some bystander was in fear of their life? This guy was on the ground and had zero chance of winning the fight. How could they possibly be scared at that point?

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

He was defending others, they were in fear of death. The prosecution's witnesses testified to that (strange tactic by the prosecution).

so some bystander was in fear of their life? This guy was on the ground and had zero chance of winning the fight. How could they possibly be scared at that point?

This wasn't a "fight". You are in your own narrative. Go start your own thread about your own world.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

He was defending others, they were in fear of death. The prosecution's witnesses testified to that (strange tactic by the prosecution).

so some bystander was in fear of their life? This guy was on the ground and had zero chance of winning the fight. How could they possibly be scared at that point?

Try several scared bystanders. Penny is a hero.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

He was defending others, they were in fear of death. The prosecution's witnesses testified to that (strange tactic by the prosecution).

so some bystander was in fear of their life? This guy was on the ground and had zero chance of winning the fight. How could they possibly be scared at that point?

This wasn't a "fight". You are in your own narrative. Go start your own thread about your own world.

I hope Denny's lawyers have a better defense, one with actual substance.

[Anonymous]

The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

Where was this? Can you describe which homeless man it was —a lot of people recognize the homeless people they see regularly

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Is that the best you could do? Chauvin was (supposed to be) arresting Floyd. Penny was defending himself and others from Neely who was threatening to kill people.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

But this is exactly what's happening everywhere, to innocent people. I live in LA, it's literally the wild west the minute you step outside.

That's exactly right. We've had a breakdown in law and order and the basic rules and norms of civilization in many cities - San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, Memphis, Baltimore, Philadelphia and on and on. The police don't do anything. The DAs don't prosecute. The judges don't sentence. And as we go into the warm months it's only going to get worse. All we hear from politicians and city councils is equity and restorative justice and systemic racism and blah blah blah. Meanwhile our once great cities are emptying - look at office vacancy rates - and the drugged out zombies and sociopathic violent criminals fill the void. It's a damn shame Republicans are nutcases these days so there really isn't a meaningful voting alternative to the utterly misguided progressives that run most cities these days. It's sad. And as the mayhem continues, more and more Americans are going to arm themselves and vigilante justice is going to become the norm. And it's our collective fault because we voted for these idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why we can't have democratic leaders who believe in keeping cities safe, clean, and orderly.

Hear hear

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should give that man a parade and award

Which one?