School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

Sure, but the idea that he was pushed into shooting his classmates by having to wait for his parents is ludicrous, just on its face but also because he'd already brought the gun to school.

Not the wait, the line of questioning to him and to him and his parents. Was he present in the room when they talked to his parents? Since this school seemed to do nothing right, I’m guessing he was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

Sure, but the idea that he was pushed into shooting his classmates by having to wait for his parents is ludicrous, just on its face but also because he'd already brought the gun to school.

Not the wait, the line of questioning to him and to him and his parents. Was he present in the room when they talked to his parents? Since this school seemed to do nothing right, I’m guessing he was.

Again, the gun was already in his backpack at that point. Along with the ammunition. Just stop. You look ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

So he missed, what, two months of school. So much for blaming remote learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

So he missed, what, two months of school. So much for blaming remote learning.

March 2020 through June 2020 would be the last 4 months of 8th grade, not 2. And you are speculating that he returned to in-person classes to begin 9th grade in August 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

The science thing is odd and it either is evidence that he was a sociopath calmly pretending it was all fine or (more likely) a kid with a significant cognitive disconnect. My own kid was in a police car being taken to an ER for suicidal threats and was making plans about buying tickets for something they wanted to do. I was thinking WTF do they not realize if they kill themselves we will not be attending that. Their brains can just run on two totally different tracks.

Also, if the kid denied suicidal ideation and told the counselor it was just for a video game he was designing, I’m really not sure most counselors would have done anything differently for a kid that has not disciplinary history and seemed to be otherwise engaged in school and responding appropriately to questions. I might not be understanding the totality of what they had, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s time to wake up and smell the gun powder in our schools …


https://everytownresearch.org/report/preventing-gun-violence-in-american-schools/

For the last 20 years, our students, educators, and parents have lived with the reality of school shootings. Meanwhile, America’s gun violence epidemic, in the form of mass shootings, gun homicides, non-fatal assaults, unintentional discharges, and firearm suicides, has been infecting America’s schools. The failure of our leaders to address the root causes of school gun violence from all angles is having lasting consequences for millions of American children.
We need meaningful action to keep our schools safe—action that addresses what we know about gun violence in America’s schools and prevents it from occurring in the first place. It’s time for our leaders to adopt a multi-faceted approach that provides school communities with the tools they need to intervene and prevent school-based gun violence. This report focuses on approaches that have been proven most effective, such as addressing students’ health, empowering teachers and law enforcement to intervene when students show signs they could be a danger to themselves or others, improving our schools’ physical security, and keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them in the first place.
We can’t let risky ideas, like arming teachers, dominate the debate. Put simply, an armed teacher cannot, in a moment of extreme duress and confusion, transform into a specially trained law enforcement officer. In reality, an untrained armed teacher introduces risk to student safety on a daily basis.

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2021/12/03/oxford-school-shooting-gun-violence-regulatory-reform/8813668002/

Editorial: Wake up, lawmakers. No one supports Michigan's gun status quo.
Detroit Free Press Editorial Board

Some will say that nothing can be done to prevent such attacks. Oakland County officials report that Crumbley's parents met with school administrators over the boy's classroom behavior just hours before the attack, but found no cause to send him home. Crumbley's father, it seems, purchased his firearm legally.
Those same voices will argue that the hundreds of millions of firearms already in private hands make new restrictions on their sale or manufacture futile, and that any attempt to promulgate such restrictions will only violate the Second Amendment rights of lawful gun owners 

We disagree. 
There are sensible measures that state and federal lawmakers can adopt without risk of violating anyone's constitutional rights, if they have the courage to face down the manufacturers and Second Amendment absolutists who call the gun lobby's tune. We can't guarantee that any of them will dramatically reduce gun deaths. But not trying them hasn't worked, either.

+ 1,000,000
We need meaningful change - one sensational legal case against the parents won’t fix this crisis …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

So he missed, what, two months of school. So much for blaming remote learning.

March 2020 through June 2020 would be the last 4 months of 8th grade, not 2. And you are speculating that he returned to in-person classes to begin 9th grade in August 2020.

Oxford was open for in person school in his 9th grade year. I think we can "safely assume" he was in person since his parents refused to even be bothered to take him home when their kid was in crisis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

The parents storage of the gun is not illegal.

The district will be sued for a billion with a B dollars before the end of the week.

Legal experts say that doesn’t matter:

““Although Michigan doesn’t require parents to lock up their guns, they can’t act recklessly to put lives in danger,” tweeted Palm Beach County, Fla. State Attorney Dave Aronberg. “The facts as reported appear to satisfy the requirements of involuntary manslaughter.””

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

The parents storage of the gun is not illegal.

The district will be sued for a billion with a B dollars before the end of the week.

Legal experts say that doesn’t matter:

““Although Michigan doesn’t require parents to lock up their guns, they can’t act recklessly to put lives in danger,” tweeted Palm Beach County, Fla. State Attorney Dave Aronberg. “The facts as reported appear to satisfy the requirements of involuntary manslaughter.””

By “expert” you mean some Democrat stooge in Florida? Oh, okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

No, the sheriff is clearly in support of charging the parents. Watch any interview with him - it’s clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

So he missed, what, two months of school. So much for blaming remote learning.

March 2020 through June 2020 would be the last 4 months of 8th grade, not 2. And you are speculating that he returned to in-person classes to begin 9th grade in August 2020.

Oxford was open for in person school in his 9th grade year. I think we can "safely assume" he was in person since his parents refused to even be bothered to take him home when their kid was in crisis.

Right. The folks who want to put this at the feet of Restorative Justice or covid closures are just projecting their own issues related to DMV public schools onto a school district that is entirely different in size and approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

The parents storage of the gun is not illegal.

The district will be sued for a billion with a B dollars before the end of the week.

Right. I really don't see how they are going to get much more of a criminal charge beyond negligence. Unless it can be proven they knew he took the gun the school/ they gave it to him at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

The parents storage of the gun is not illegal.

The district will be sued for a billion with a B dollars before the end of the week.

Right. I really don't see how they are going to get much more of a criminal charge beyond negligence. Unless it can be proven they knew he took the gun the school/ they gave it to him at school.

The text from his mom telling him to "just not get caught" searching for ammunition is going to age very badly.