School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

The sheriff is as RINO as they come, with a sterling career, so I’m not sure where this fake narrative is coming from that he’s some right wing wack job. The prosecutor went to two degree mills and just assumed office this year.

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Is it a felony to give a semi-automatic weapon to a teenager? If so, they could get them on felony murder. Otherwise, I’m not optimistic they can get a conviction.
But it really should be a felony to give a semi-automatic weapon to a teenager. Kid wasn’t even old enough to drive a car, vote, buy booze or cigarettes, consent you sex with an adult….why would it be legal to give him a semi-automatic weapon?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

The sheriff is as RINO as they come, with a sterling career, so I’m not sure where this fake narrative is coming from that he’s some right wing wack job. The prosecutor went to two degree mills and just assumed office this year.

The prosecutor attended Alma College, which is a perfectly respectable regional liberal arts college. Her law degree is from Wayne State University, an R1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

The sheriff is as RINO as they come, with a sterling career, so I’m not sure where this fake narrative is coming from that he’s some right wing wack job. The prosecutor went to two degree mills and just assumed office this year.

She was an ADA for five years, in private practice for nine more, and was an Oakland County Circuit Court Judge for seven years before leaving the bench to run for office.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a felony to give a semi-automatic weapon to a teenager? If so, they could get them on felony murder. Otherwise, I’m not optimistic they can get a conviction.
But it really should be a felony to give a semi-automatic weapon to a teenager. Kid wasn’t even old enough to drive a car, vote, buy booze or cigarettes, consent you sex with an adult….why would it be legal to give him a semi-automatic weapon?

...because common sense gun control has been blocked at every turn, despite being wildly popular with Americans. Many states do have laws that say you need to lock up your weapons, for example, but Michigan is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Is this the same sheriff who was trashing the prosecutor for charging the parents? Maybe he's figured out which way the wind is blowing for his re-election.

The sheriff is as RINO as they come, with a sterling career, so I’m not sure where this fake narrative is coming from that he’s some right wing wack job. The prosecutor went to two degree mills and just assumed office this year.

She was an ADA for five years, in private practice for nine more, and was an Oakland County Circuit Court Judge for seven years before leaving the bench to run for office.

Right. I have no dog in this race, but WSU is a perfectly fine law school and actually probably the correct choice for someone who wants to practice law in Detroit and eventually seek elected office.

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Anonymous wrote:March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

AGAIN, STOP “SAFELY ASSUMING.” Oxford schools had the option of in-person learning starting in August 2020.
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-reopening-tracker-find-out-if-your-district-starting-person-or?amp

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

These parents wanted their kid OUT of their house - they couldn't even get him the mental health assistance he needed, "refused take" and failed to take him home when the school told them to - they certainly were not going to let him learn from home.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

Sure, but the idea that he was pushed into shooting his classmates by having to wait for his parents is ludicrous, just on its face but also because he'd already brought the gun to school.

Not the wait, the line of questioning to him and to him and his parents. Was he present in the room when they talked to his parents? Since this school seemed to do nothing right, I’m guessing he was.

Again, the gun was already in his backpack at that point. Along with the ammunition. Just stop. You look ridiculous.

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Par for the course, anything not to take parental responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I assume Oxford was remote his entire 9th grade year? Or at least most of it. Have to wonder if he lost his old friend group during remote learning transition to high school and/or was on radicalized by unfettered internet access at home all day while parents were at work?

Cyber bullying increased exponentially during remote learning.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

The science thing is odd and it either is evidence that he was a sociopath calmly pretending it was all fine or (more likely) a kid with a significant cognitive disconnect. My own kid was in a police car being taken to an ER for suicidal threats and was making plans about buying tickets for something they wanted to do. I was thinking WTF do they not realize if they kill themselves we will not be attending that. Their brains can just run on two totally different tracks.

Also, if the kid denied suicidal ideation and told the counselor it was just for a video game he was designing, I’m really not sure most counselors would have done anything differently for a kid that has not disciplinary history and seemed to be otherwise engaged in school and responding appropriately to questions. I might not be understanding the totality of what they had, though.

My take is that the counselors were asking what might about to screening questions and may not have had the skill set for this level of immediate assessment the way someone experienced in psych assessment would. The note was an indicator of suicidal ideation and as such would have warranted a check of locker and backpack and maybe requiring parents to confirm guns were CURRENTLY secure to rule out access to weapons at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I think he was clearly bullied. Spare me that kids and faculty said he wasn't. I don't expect CYA faculty to admit it and clearly kids aren't going to admit it if they terrorized him to a breaking point. This is a gigantic school of nearly 2,000 students, so it's not as if everyone knows everyone. Meek poor kids like him fall through the cracks in these large buildings.

So? That is reason to "snap" and assault/kill? On what planet??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I think he was clearly bullied. Spare me that kids and faculty said he wasn't. I don't expect CYA faculty to admit it and clearly kids aren't going to admit it if they terrorized him to a breaking point. This is a gigantic school of nearly 2,000 students, so it's not as if everyone knows everyone. Meek poor kids like him fall through the cracks in these large buildings.

Facts don’t care about your feelings.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

ISD policies were not followed here, clearly.

Looks like the school is liable in this case. It’s happened before. When will schools learn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

No, it's not prime evidence of bullying.

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Stop trying to terrorize the schools, parents and families with your "bullying!!!" agenda. In fact, you are the bully.

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The parents are both employed and temp left work to come to the meeting. Why would they take him home if not ordered to do so? That’s even if we believe they were asked to take him home — which I personally question since this school is run by nitwits. This isn’t on them, however trashy and MAGA they are, this is on school officials. I predict the bogus charges against the parents by an attention craving first year county prosecutor will be dismissed and the district and its county ISD will be successful sued for a nine-figure settlement.