School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sheriff is on 760 WRJ talk radio right now questioning if school and its county ISD policies and protocols were followed. Clearly insinuating they were not followed.

not surprised

Seriously. He's an elected Republican official. He's already thinking about the next election and how he has to appeal to gun nuts in Oakland County.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I assume Oxford was remote his entire 9th grade year? Or at least most of it. Have to wonder if he lost his old friend group during remote learning transition to high school and/or was on radicalized by unfettered internet access at home all day while parents were at work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I think he was clearly bullied. Spare me that kids and faculty said he wasn't. I don't expect CYA faculty to admit it and clearly kids aren't going to admit it if they terrorized him to a breaking point. This is a gigantic school of nearly 2,000 students, so it's not as if everyone knows everyone. Meek poor kids like him fall through the cracks in these large buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I think he was clearly bullied. Spare me that kids and faculty said he wasn't. I don't expect CYA faculty to admit it and clearly kids aren't going to admit it if they terrorized him to a breaking point. This is a gigantic school of nearly 2,000 students, so it's not as if everyone knows everyone. Meek poor kids like him fall through the cracks in these large buildings.

Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[Anonymous]

It’s time to wake up and smell the gun powder in our schools …


https://everytownresearch.org/report/preventing-gun-violence-in-american-schools/

For the last 20 years, our students, educators, and parents have lived with the reality of school shootings. Meanwhile, America’s gun violence epidemic, in the form of mass shootings, gun homicides, non-fatal assaults, unintentional discharges, and firearm suicides, has been infecting America’s schools. The failure of our leaders to address the root causes of school gun violence from all angles is having lasting consequences for millions of American children.
We need meaningful action to keep our schools safe—action that addresses what we know about gun violence in America’s schools and prevents it from occurring in the first place. It’s time for our leaders to adopt a multi-faceted approach that provides school communities with the tools they need to intervene and prevent school-based gun violence. This report focuses on approaches that have been proven most effective, such as addressing students’ health, empowering teachers and law enforcement to intervene when students show signs they could be a danger to themselves or others, improving our schools’ physical security, and keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them in the first place.
We can’t let risky ideas, like arming teachers, dominate the debate. Put simply, an armed teacher cannot, in a moment of extreme duress and confusion, transform into a specially trained law enforcement officer. In reality, an untrained armed teacher introduces risk to student safety on a daily basis.

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2021/12/03/oxford-school-shooting-gun-violence-regulatory-reform/8813668002/

Editorial: Wake up, lawmakers. No one supports Michigan's gun status quo.
Detroit Free Press Editorial Board

Some will say that nothing can be done to prevent such attacks. Oakland County officials report that Crumbley's parents met with school administrators over the boy's classroom behavior just hours before the attack, but found no cause to send him home. Crumbley's father, it seems, purchased his firearm legally.
Those same voices will argue that the hundreds of millions of firearms already in private hands make new restrictions on their sale or manufacture futile, and that any attempt to promulgate such restrictions will only violate the Second Amendment rights of lawful gun owners 

We disagree. 
There are sensible measures that state and federal lawmakers can adopt without risk of violating anyone's constitutional rights, if they have the courage to face down the manufacturers and Second Amendment absolutists who call the gun lobby's tune. We can't guarantee that any of them will dramatically reduce gun deaths. But not trying them hasn't worked, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I think he was clearly bullied. Spare me that kids and faculty said he wasn't. I don't expect CYA faculty to admit it and clearly kids aren't going to admit it if they terrorized him to a breaking point. This is a gigantic school of nearly 2,000 students, so it's not as if everyone knows everyone. Meek poor kids like him fall through the cracks in these large buildings.

Stop with the NRA fantasy world.

[Anonymous]

To all those who are judging the family because of their “s””tshack” house, you are really sick. Do you not realize that some of the murdered and injured children probably live in very similar homes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

No, it's not prime evidence of bullying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I assume Oxford was remote his entire 9th grade year? Or at least most of it. Have to wonder if he lost his old friend group during remote learning transition to high school and/or was on radicalized by unfettered internet access at home all day while parents were at work?

Michigan urged schools to open in March 2021, and they were open well before that because Whitmer had to order them all closed in late November 2020. Stop assuming.

[Anonymous]

The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

[Anonymous]

March 2021 would be the very end of his 9th grade year. I’m safely assuming August 2020 through December 2020 was remote, i.e. at least the first semester of his 9th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I assume Oxford was remote his entire 9th grade year? Or at least most of it. Have to wonder if he lost his old friend group during remote learning transition to high school and/or was on radicalized by unfettered internet access at home all day while parents were at work?

Maybe he was radicalized by HIS MOM, who was a rabid right-winger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sheriff has stated in no uncertain terms several times that there is NO evidence the gun was secured in anyway. None.

AND there is no way the guidance counselor followed policy here.

Not sure why there can’t be numerous responsible parties here, because there clearly are.

The parents storage of the gun is not illegal.

The district will be sued for a billion with a B dollars before the end of the week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

Even the day of, while they had him locked in an office (?) for 2 hours -- waiting for his parents to arrive from work? -- he asked if he could do his science homework because he was worried about missing class work!

Is it possible the line of questioning from school officials to he and his parents is maybe what triggered something in him?

This ridiculous fan fiction ignores the fact that he had the gun and ammunition on his person.

Fan fiction? It's on the record fact he was asking if he could do science homework while in the office Tuesday morning, because he was worried about missing class assignments:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/superintendent-asks-for-third-party-review-on-events-that-led-up-to-oxford-high-school-shooting.html

Sure, but the idea that he was pushed into shooting his classmates by having to wait for his parents is ludicrous, just on its face but also because he'd already brought the gun to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at his old YouTube videos from a few years ago, he appears like a sweet, polite child talking about his boat collection and playing basketball with a group of friends; in one he his conscientious of the cost of a souvenir at a bear attraction.His parents can use these as evidence that they had no idea of his decline into a dark world.

This is prime evidence of bullying.

And speaking of parents, why aren’t the parents of bully’s held criminally responsible? Maybe if we did that, bullying would stop increasing every year.

I assume Oxford was remote his entire 9th grade year? Or at least most of it. Have to wonder if he lost his old friend group during remote learning transition to high school and/or was on radicalized by unfettered internet access at home all day while parents were at work?

Maybe he was radicalized by HIS MOM, who was a rabid right-winger.

Maybe you’re right. That’s why remote learning was so harmful. Teens who’d otherwise be around professional faculty for 35 or so hours a week were left to their own devices and trashy parents 24/7.