"God has a plan"

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And you may be right. And I may be right that it has nothing to do with some big, grand divine plan for my life. It could all just be one big coincidence. Because once again this line of argument is asking me to ascribe the bad stuff to "bodies break down" and the good stuff to God. If God is who Catholic Christians say he is, then he is responsible for all of it. And I find that a hard pill to swallow.

I know someone dying of terminal cancer. What should I tell him of God's plan? What good is coming to his life as he slowly dies from a metasticizing cancer?

Christian pp would say "bodies break down." Or maybe that if he lived a full life he would become a mass murderer, so a benign God is sparing him and us from that horrible fate.

See -- god comes out the good guy again -- it just takes faith and an active imagination.

This works for dead children, too. "Don't be sad -- little Larla probably would have grown up to be a mass murderer!"

And for those mass murderers that God doesn't strike down in infancy, there's always the corollary explanation -- "All those people Larlo shot in that theatre would have become even worse mass murderers!"

Not to mention how well His plan works with airplane crashes -- so many future mass murderers taken out all at once! It really is a blessing.

Why don't you go pour yourself another cup of coffee.

It's only when these seemingly comforting religious explanations are pushed to their natural limits that it becomes obvious how ridiculous and hurtful they are. I think the well-meaning people who are saying such things just aren't thinking clearly at the time and the people who hear them are too shocked or confused or hurt to respond readily.

Hopefully the pp who started this line of thought is still reading and will get the message and search for another, more benign allusion. There must be something.

allusion...an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.

illusion...a false idea or belief.

both apply in this case.

benign indirect or passing reference?

The only one fits is illusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe God does have a plan, it is just a very fucked up, shitty one?

And your plan is to cruise forums that deal with religion and post banal and profane statements.

And your plan is to post ad hominem statements when you are stumped?

Stumped? Not in the least. Only a foolish person attempts to engage someone like yourself in meaningful debate. Your mind is closed and you apparently delight in drivebys.

And a smart person engages in ad hominems instead?

First...instead of a period at the end of my original sentence it should have been a question mark rendering it a rhetorical question.

I called what you posted banal....so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring...that was my opinion of what you wrote.

Profane? Was there profanity in what you wrote?

Neither was ad hominem. What did you present that I would attempt to undermine? I didn't question or assail your character nor did I add anything about your personal traits. In other words, you didn't present anything that I would be attempting to render moot by shining a light on those things but rather what you wrote.

So, of the various forms of ad hominem, the most common of which is argumentum, I cannot find one that fits.

So it was just an insult meant to close conversation.

It wasn't written to insult. It's your right to be insulted for being called out for your remarks just as it was my right to call you out. Nor was it done to close a conversation as no conversation had been engaged. See, a rhetorical question is one you ask without expectation of an answer therefore with no expectation of a conversation.

I'm not sure, and won't speculate, why you feel the need to demean/belittle the beliefs of others. You have the right to believe there is no God or to be angry with God and/or to disagree with others. And if in doing so someone wrote something demeaning or profane to you...I would call them out too.

With that I bid you adieu.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe God does have a plan, it is just a very fucked up, shitty one?

And your plan is to cruise forums that deal with religion and post banal and profane statements.

And your plan is to post ad hominem statements when you are stumped?

Stumped? Not in the least. Only a foolish person attempts to engage someone like yourself in meaningful debate. Your mind is closed and you apparently delight in drivebys.

And a smart person engages in ad hominems instead?

First...instead of a period at the end of my original sentence it should have been a question mark rendering it a rhetorical question.

I called what you posted banal....so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring...that was my opinion of what you wrote.

Profane? Was there profanity in what you wrote?

Neither was ad hominem. What did you present that I would attempt to undermine? I didn't question or assail your character nor did I add anything about your personal traits. In other words, you didn't present anything that I would be attempting to render moot by shining a light on those things but rather what you wrote.

So, of the various forms of ad hominem, the most common of which is argumentum, I cannot find one that fits.

So it was just an insult meant to close conversation.

It wasn't written to insult. It's your right to be insulted for being called out for your remarks just as it was my right to call you out. Nor was it done to close a conversation as no conversation had been engaged. See, a rhetorical question is one you ask without expectation of an answer therefore with no expectation of a conversation.

I'm not sure, and won't speculate, why you feel the need to demean/belittle the beliefs of others. You have the right to believe there is no God or to be angry with God and/or to disagree with others. And if in doing so someone wrote something demeaning or profane to you...I would call them out too.

With that I bid you adieu.

You are know a lot about literature and English usage.

Keep in mind that you may be conversing with more than one person here and and also consider that there is something to learn from the conversation if you are the one who originally used the Hitler comment. Really, whoever did that needed to know that it's not helpful and finding out on an anonymous message board might be the least embarrassing way.

Some may believe that a person is better off unable to conceive than to possibly give birth to the next Hitler, but that person should know that most people would not find that at all comforting and would not want to hear that in any context, religious or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Perhaps the next step is to consider that you and your friends and family were giving you the help and strength you needed at that unhappy point in your life. God was not needed and was not responsible for the bad or the good elements.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe God does have a plan, it is just a very fucked up, shitty one?

And your plan is to cruise forums that deal with religion and post banal and profane statements.

And your plan is to post ad hominem statements when you are stumped?

Stumped? Not in the least. Only a foolish person attempts to engage someone like yourself in meaningful debate. Your mind is closed and you apparently delight in drivebys.

And a smart person engages in ad hominems instead?

First...instead of a period at the end of my original sentence it should have been a question mark rendering it a rhetorical question.

I called what you posted banal....so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring...that was my opinion of what you wrote.

Profane? Was there profanity in what you wrote?

Neither was ad hominem. What did you present that I would attempt to undermine? I didn't question or assail your character nor did I add anything about your personal traits. In other words, you didn't present anything that I would be attempting to render moot by shining a light on those things but rather what you wrote.

So, of the various forms of ad hominem, the most common of which is argumentum, I cannot find one that fits.

So it was just an insult meant to close conversation.

It wasn't written to insult. It's your right to be insulted for being called out for your remarks just as it was my right to call you out. Nor was it done to close a conversation as no conversation had been engaged. See, a rhetorical question is one you ask without expectation of an answer therefore with no expectation of a conversation.

I'm not sure, and won't speculate, why you feel the need to demean/belittle the beliefs of others. You have the right to believe there is no God or to be angry with God and/or to disagree with others. And if in doing so someone wrote something demeaning or profane to you...I would call them out too.

With that I bid you adieu.

After all this back and forth, it's quite a stretch to say that no conversation had been engaged -- and odd to bid adieu to someone you haven't been talking to.

Would you call out the person who suggested that OP's desperately wanted unborn child might be the next Hitler? It's not OK to say things like that even if you're a nice religious person trying to help.

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Anonymous wrote:I am (marginally) Catholic. I find it hard to believe that the whole world just appeared from nothing, and that no intelligence was necessary to create it. I converted as an adult but have of late become a spiritual recidivist, backsliding into the agnosticism of my youth and early 20's as I cope with secondary infertility and a child with fairly severe ADHD. I HATE when people say "God has a plan for you." To my ears, it sounds like predeterminism and I firmly do not believe in that. That has never been my conception of God. When people to say this to me, I think they are nuts. That kind of talk sounds like God decided to make me infertile and give me a child with special needs, while the drug addicts and child abusers in my area seem capable of procreating like rabbits based on all of the ads entreating people to foster this growing population of kids. If God is really that involved in our lives, determining what will happen to each of us and when, why the hell would he do this? It defies the intelligence and logic that I believe are a necessary component of creating a world like ours.

So I guess my question is, WHY do people believe in this "God has a plan" stuff? What are they trying to convey when they say it? IME, Catholics will say things like "look to God for strength and guidance," but not "God has a plan." However these days neither camp is working for me. Lately I'm more of the opinion that God exists but is a pure intelligence - a force of biological creation - that is indifferent to the fate of mankind.

OP, you are asking some very intelligent questions here. I am Christian but not Catholic and will provide my POV from that perspective.

First, please understand that when people make statements like this, they are not trying to dismiss your pain. This is just one of those clumsy things that people say when they want to say something to help, but know that no words really can. I know it's grating and hits a horrible hot spot with you, but please try to have a little compassion.

As I'm sure you know, God never promised us a perfect or an easy life. We all have our share of misery, pain and misfortune. What God did promise is that He is with us through those times and that "all things work together" for those that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose. To me, this means that it is actually irrelevant to God if we have no children or fifty - He still calls us to follow Him through Jesus. All of us, and all of our children, are broken in some way -- ADHD or something else. No one gets a pass on the problems of life.

BUT the good news is that these problems, illnesses, hardships, periods of unemployment, depression, addictions, etc etc etc can be used by God to redeem us and to witness His word and His way here on earth. I don't believe that God singled you out for secondary infertility, or your child with ADHD. These things are just factors of life in the less-than-perfect world we live in. But He can use them, and you, for good -- if you will let Him.

This is basically what my friend said. And again, it doesn't sit with me, because I am Type A, and I believe in my own power to get shit done, and I don't want to be "used" by God to make some sort of point about the meaning of the world or life or whatever. I hear what you are saying, and I appreciate it, but as I think more and more about it I just think that the religious notion of God no longer makes any sense to me.

This is your problem right here, at least as it is viewed by Christianity. Great that you are Type A and believe in "your own power to get shit done," but as you may be getting an inkling here, we cannot save ourselves. That is what Christianity is all about. God made you Type A and appreciates that about your personality but it has nothing to do with your salvation.

True. But I'm in the here and now. I'm not focused on my salvation. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. I have too much living to do right now. And worrying about my salvation doesn't answer my question about "God's plan." If God is love and truth and all-knowing and all of that, why make us endure difficult lives and tell us to focus on our death all the time? What does being saved have to do with being infertile despite wanting to be a parent while people who want to shoot heroin all day are allowed to become pregnant? What kind of plan is that? It seems like a pretty effed up plan to me.

There are people who feel incredibly freed once they stop trying to fit everything into some kind of plan from a supposedly caring God. True, they have no supreme being to pray to or to thank when something goes well or to expect everlasting life from, but they gain something too. They gain an appreciation for the here and now and for what they do have and for being born at all -- an incredibly unlikely chance for all of us who have ever been born. Everything seems to make more sense when not seen from the perspective of some divine plan which works for some people sometimes but seems horribly unjust to others.

You are depressed and angry now because "the plan" as it's playing out doesn't make any sense to you. Once you discard the idea of a plan coming from a divine, benevolent force, I predict you will start feeling better.

NP here -- This is exactly what my faith means to me - loving what is and being grateful for all that I have, rather than fretting over what I don't have. God doesn't manipulate us like a puppet master pulling strings. But God is there for us always -- through the good and the bad. As someone who also struggled with secondary infertility, I know that God guided me through the heartbreak to accept and embrace the "here and now." Once we did that, we were able to move forward with adoption and were blessed with an amazing and loving little girl who completed our family in a way that we never could have predicted.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.

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If you're still here OP, I read this and thought about your post.

http://blog.longreads.com/2015/08/04/in-the-grand-scheme-of-things/

(about a woman whose child is blind--discusses how she deals with the same platitudes)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.

God made the world - did he break it too? or did humans do that, and if so, what was God's purpose is letting that happen? How do you know that God doesn't put bad things in your life but helps you navigate? It sounds like another case of giving god credit for the good things, but absolving him of the bad things, even though he supposedly created everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.

God made the world - did he break it too? or did humans do that, and if so, what was God's purpose is letting that happen? How do you know that God doesn't put bad things in your life but helps you navigate? It sounds like another case of giving god credit for the good things, but absolving him of the bad things, even though he supposedly created everything.

Read Colum McCann's Let the Great World Spin -- again, God is not a puppetmaster and we aren't puppets

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.

God made the world - did he break it too? or did humans do that, and if so, what was God's purpose is letting that happen? How do you know that God doesn't put bad things in your life but helps you navigate? It sounds like another case of giving god credit for the good things, but absolving him of the bad things, even though he supposedly created everything.

First...those that say things like God won't give you more than you can bare are in error. There is no scripture that says that and in fact James 1:13 says, "When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone" but unfortunately too many listen to talking heads and don't spend enough time reading. There is no promise of every good thing. Success. Wealth. Nor that God has a plan as if there is a charted course for each person. God has a goal for us, life eternal rather than eternal death. But those who say God has a plan are uttering a useless catch phrase. On this thread I asked for direct bible verses that says that and no response.

Why God created a world and put us in it, allowed free will and imperfection...I don't know. We don't control our children, their lives nor what they face but we stand ready to offer our assistance, as imperfect as it may be, should they need it. Does God fill a more perfect role in a similar fashion? I believe he does. How does he assist in navigating life? In a more perfect way than we can for our children. We provide experience and wisdom through our life lessons and knowledge...the written word within the bible has countless lessons and direction for solving life's challenges. There are times we give/assist to aid our children and I believe God does so as well. Proof that God does? Nope. Have there been times when I didn't give to my children? Yes. Why? Because I felt it best not to intervene and allow them to complete the task on their own. Can God be doing the same thing? Sure. How do we know? We don't.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic. I had a full term stillborn child. Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was. I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it. I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God. I was. And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer. I prayed for a healthy child. After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things. I don't think it works that way. I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith. I'm so sorry for your loss, PP. Peace to you.

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.

God made the world - did he break it too? or did humans do that, and if so, what was God's purpose is letting that happen? How do you know that God doesn't put bad things in your life but helps you navigate? It sounds like another case of giving god credit for the good things, but absolving him of the bad things, even though he supposedly created everything.

First...those that say things like God won't give you more than you can bare are in error. There is no scripture that says that and in fact James 1:13 says, "When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone" but unfortunately too many listen to talking heads and don't spend enough time reading. There is no promise of every good thing. Success. Wealth. Nor that God has a plan as if there is a charted course for each person. God has a goal for us, life eternal rather than eternal death. But those who say God has a plan are uttering a useless catch phrase. On this thread I asked for direct bible verses that says that and no response.

Why God created a world and put us in it, allowed free will and imperfection...I don't know. We don't control our children, their lives nor what they face but we stand ready to offer our assistance, as imperfect as it may be, should they need it. Does God fill a more perfect role in a similar fashion? I believe he does. How does he assist in navigating life? In a more perfect way than we can for our children. We provide experience and wisdom through our life lessons and knowledge...the written word within the bible has countless lessons and direction for solving life's challenges. There are times we give/assist to aid our children and I believe God does so as well. Proof that God does? Nope. Have there been times when I didn't give to my children? Yes. Why? Because I felt it best not to intervene and allow them to complete the task on their own. Can God be doing the same thing? Sure. How do we know? We don't.

Taking god out of the equation makes everything so much more simple to understand. Some good and bad things happen by chance; some happen based on human intervention. There's no invisible entity to blame or thank and there's no eternal reward for believing in it. That's the hardest part for people to accept and the main reason that belief in god persists.

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Taking god out of the equation makes everything so much more simple to understand. Some good and bad things happen by chance; some happen based on human intervention. There's no invisible entity to blame or thank and there's no eternal reward for believing in it. That's the hardest part for people to accept and the main reason that belief in god persists.

I agree, you have to contort your thoughts so much to make any god theory fit with the world we live in. I think the idea persists though because people just can't accept that their lives with all its problems, is all their is. We want some sort of reward for being good.

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Taking god out of the equation makes everything so much more simple to understand. Some good and bad things happen by chance; some happen based on human intervention. There's no invisible entity to blame or thank and there's no eternal reward for believing in it. That's the hardest part for people to accept and the main reason that belief in god persists.

I agree, you have to contort your thoughts so much to make any god theory fit with the world we live in. I think the idea persists though because people just can't accept that their lives with all its problems, is all their is. We want some sort of reward for being good.

Belief in God is a matter of faith. I don't believe anyone will ever prove or disprove the existence of God. I happen to believe in a loving Creator, but I can understand that some people just don't buy it. It does sound a little crazy, right? But I look at this world and all the craziness that we just accept as the way things are, the lies we accept as truths, and I think- it isn't any crazier to believe in God. It isn't crazier to believe that the purpose of life is to love and serve others because God loves us and calls us to service.