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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm Catholic.  I had a full term stillborn child.  Was that God's plan? I don't believe it was.  I think we live in a broken world where bad things happen to all people, and you yourself being "good" or "bad" has nothing to do with it.  I don't believe God causes bad things to happen.

In the wake of my stillbirth, I believe God used other people to comfort me, heal me, and love me.

That doesn't mean I wasn't furious with God.  I was.  And I think God understands and forgives me for that.

I don't know how or why God answers or doesn't answer prayer.  I prayed for a healthy child.  After I lost that child, I realized maybe I was treating God like some kind of Santa Claus- be good and God will give you good things.  I don't think it works that way.  I think God gives us strength, grace, and wisdom when we ask for it to help us deal with life's hardships and devastations.

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Thanks for sharing this beautiful and mature description of faith.  I'm so sorry for your loss, PP.  Peace to you. [/quote]

James 1:2-4

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

As the pp said...we live in a broken world...the word teaches the way to not only weather the storms but how to use those storms to become stronger. An old proverb, it's in various forms depending on the culture...says...a smooth sea never produces a skillful sailor.

Based on the verses above, along with others, God isn't going to put bad things in your life, but he will help you navigate (and that includes the love, kindness and wisdom of others as the pp shared) and knows you will never be fully who you can be, unless you persevere.[/quote]

God made the world - did he break it too?  or did humans do that, and if so, what was God's purpose is letting that happen?  How do you know that God doesn't put bad things in your life but helps you navigate?  It sounds like another case of giving god credit for the good things, but absolving him of the bad things, even though he supposedly created everything.[/quote]

First...those that say things like God won't give you more than you can bare are in error. There is no scripture that says that and in fact James 1:13 says, "When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone" but unfortunately too many listen to talking heads and don't spend enough time reading. There is no promise of every good thing. Success. Wealth. Nor that God has a plan as if there is a charted course for each person. God has a goal for us, life eternal rather than eternal death. But those who say God has a plan are uttering a useless catch phrase. On this thread I asked for direct bible verses that says that and no response.

Why God created a world and put us in it, allowed free will and imperfection...I don't know. We don't control our children, their lives nor what they face but we stand ready to offer our assistance, as imperfect as it may be, should they need it. Does God fill a more perfect role in a similar fashion? I believe he does. How does he assist in navigating life? In a more perfect way than we can for our children. We provide experience and wisdom through our life lessons and knowledge...the written word within the bible has countless lessons and direction for solving life's challenges. There are times we give/assist to aid our children and I believe God does so as well. Proof that God does? Nope. Have there been times when I didn't give to my children? Yes. Why? Because I felt it best not to intervene and allow them to complete the task on their own. Can God be doing the same thing? Sure. How do we know? We don't.[/quote]

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