Feeling sad about losing a mom friendship over bullying

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Anonymous wrote:I had a close family friend and our kids knew each other since they were babies. The families did everything together, including vacationing. Kids are now in kindergarten .Turns out that her kid was bullying my kid physically and also isolating her from other kids and teachers by spreading rumors. The school separated them and I also cut off all play dates and all activities they had together. I know I did the right thing for my kid but I am still mourning the six yr friendship - even though I hope adults can look pass this the reality is things aren’t the same. Any words of wisdom?

I am curious how a kindergartner isolates another kindergartner from teachers by spreading rumors.

Well the kid would go to the teachers and say that DD was rude. DD would try to deny it and the teachers would not believe her because DD was very attached to this girl and was clingy before.

The facts come slowly from OP but a clearer picture is emerging as to what's really going on.

A clingy friend does not warrant getting bashed up or talked about to other girls.

But from the other girl's perspective she could feel smothered or that she wasn't allowed to have other friends. I know the people here desperately want to tar and feather a 6 year old kindergartens girl and call her a bully for the rest of her days, but perhaps, this was a complicated friendship. But the word "bully" seems to send some people into a tailspin and further discussion is not allowed.

She is being a bully right now. But she doesn't have to be a bully tomorrow. She should neither be coddled and led to believe the behavior was in any way acceptable nor should she be branded a bully forever.

PP again. Wanted to add that let's say OPs kid was being clingy. Is the appropriate response to that to physically hurt her or be exclusionary in a way that involves the teacher and other kids? Absolutely not. Regardless of her motivation, her response was inappropriate bullying behavior. You can't sugar coat that. So regardless of the motivation, she needs to learn that this is not how you handle difficulties in a relationship. Ever.

I really don't understand anyone who is trying to gloss over the behavior of a six year old who hurts another kid in these ways. The fact that the teachers are aware of this to the point that they are separating the girls says a lot to me, none of it good. The OP is not calling for further action. She is just saying she is sad that this will change her relationship with the mom.

I don't think people are glossing over it. But ending a friendship with someone over this is kinda nuts. I mean were you ever really friends?

Were you? OMG stuff happens in friendships that changes them all the time. Kids having trouble getting along can certainly be one of them. Are you really this socially sheltered?

I was bullied in school and I think this is dramatic. Plenty of my mom's friends kids picked on me. It doesn't last forever. Yes you can separate them but ending your friendship with the mom is over the top. A year from now it could be completely different. Some of you are just setting your kids up to walk away from difficult situations instead of working things out or taking a brief hiatus.

The deciding factor of whether to stay friends with the mom is how she is reacting/handling the situation. If the mother refuses to correct the bullying behavior of her 6-8 year old because "the girls will work it out", that isn't someone I am willing to stay friends with. I have had moms where our kids just don't really mesh and and aren't friends - that's fine. But if you let your kid be mean to my kid repeatedly, then you aren't actually my friend and I have no interest in being yours.

Obviously if that's true then no. But just ending a friendship over this is crazy. If the mom is struggling to get her child to be kind I wouldn't just end a friendship over this. I can't see someone just not caring about something like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Well the physical stuff was getting punched in the chest and dragging across the floor leaving bruises. The “rumors” part was telling the other girls not to play with DD and making it seem to the teachers that DD was the one who instigated rudeness. Anyways even if I want to go for coffee with the mom, she placed high value on our kids playing together. She’s also very protective of her kid. Now they aren’t the friendship is naturally watered down.

Maybe in a few months the kids can play nicely again. Her child is going to have to learn kindness.

Something about the way you phrased this just rubs me the wrong way.

Quote directly from the teacher. “We are working on teaching *other girl* how to be kind”

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Anonymous wrote:I had a close family friend and our kids knew each other since they were babies. The families did everything together, including vacationing. Kids are now in kindergarten .Turns out that her kid was bullying my kid physically and also isolating her from other kids and teachers by spreading rumors. The school separated them and I also cut off all play dates and all activities they had together. I know I did the right thing for my kid but I am still mourning the six yr friendship - even though I hope adults can look pass this the reality is things aren’t the same. Any words of wisdom?

I am curious how a kindergartner isolates another kindergartner from teachers by spreading rumors.

Well the kid would go to the teachers and say that DD was rude. DD would try to deny it and the teachers would not believe her because DD was very attached to this girl and was clingy before.

The facts come slowly from OP but a clearer picture is emerging as to what's really going on.

A clingy friend does not warrant getting bashed up or talked about to other girls.

But from the other girl's perspective she could feel smothered or that she wasn't allowed to have other friends. I know the people here desperately want to tar and feather a 6 year old kindergartens girl and call her a bully for the rest of her days, but perhaps, this was a complicated friendship. But the word "bully" seems to send some people into a tailspin and further discussion is not allowed.

She is being a bully right now. But she doesn't have to be a bully tomorrow. She should neither be coddled and led to believe the behavior was in any way acceptable nor should she be branded a bully forever.

PP again. Wanted to add that let's say OPs kid was being clingy. Is the appropriate response to that to physically hurt her or be exclusionary in a way that involves the teacher and other kids? Absolutely not. Regardless of her motivation, her response was inappropriate bullying behavior. You can't sugar coat that. So regardless of the motivation, she needs to learn that this is not how you handle difficulties in a relationship. Ever.

I really don't understand anyone who is trying to gloss over the behavior of a six year old who hurts another kid in these ways. The fact that the teachers are aware of this to the point that they are separating the girls says a lot to me, none of it good. The OP is not calling for further action. She is just saying she is sad that this will change her relationship with the mom.

But you see plenty of people bemoaning the fact that “subtle bullying” led their child to eventually snap and lash out (verbally or physically) and then the “actual bully” gets their kid in trouble. Who is to say that’s not what’s going on here? The other kid had been saying op’s daughter is mean-it seems more likely she experienced her as mean than a kindergarten kid was undertaking a sophisticated and unprovoked campaign against her. And teachers separate kids all the time-it definitely doesn’t mean one kid is bullying a little angel necessarily.

Then both kids would be in the wrong, right? And both would need some guidance on how to handle the situation more appropriately. And the separation would still be appropriate. And OP could still be sad about the change in the friendship.

So what is your point, exactly? That internet strangers should not make snap judgements about the other six year old? Noted. But she might also just be a mean kid who victimized OP's kid, right? Yup.

I appreciate that many of us have had victimized kids (and that is what it is!) and might read our own stuff into OP's scenario, but that doesn't mean that is what is happening with OP's kid. I find it weird that on DCUM people frequently try to poke holes in the OP this way, frequently assume the OP is withholding something, frequently assume OP's kid deserved whatever they go. It so often seems the PPs are just projecting their own experience, regardless of what OP's reality is.

In the end, even if what you are proposing were true of OP's kid, is it okay for the other kid to punch and exclude in the way she was? No. So the separation of the girls is appropriate either way.

I am not the previous poster but I think you can feel that the separation is appropriate, the other child’s actions were inexcusable and still encourage OP to think through her daughter’s role in this. None us know, of course, but when the attitude is my child is perfect and the things the other child said about her *had* to be lies, this other six year old is just a bad kid with bad parents…well that’s often not the case so a little introspection might be useful, even though it’s hard to think of anything else when your child is hurt. I am sorry your DD was hurt like this, OP.

I'm the PP you are responding to and I appreciate your thoughtful response. I totally agree that in these situations both sets of parents need to look at what might be happening with their own child. There are always two sides to the story.

However, based on OP's responses here, I don't think she is one of those parents who automatically assumed her child was a blameless angel and did no investigation into her child's behavior that may have contributed to the situation. And I don't understand the people who are objecting to the use of the word "bully" or "bullying" in this context. The other child did bully OP's child. I don't see anyone here saying that necessarily means she is a bully forever! I certainly don't think she is automatically a "bad" kid. But she needs guidance and we can call it what it is.

I guess it’s the way she’s looking back at the previous interactions now and saying oh clearly this other girl was lying purposely since now she’s done something really unacceptable. When the other girl told the teachers your daughter was being rude, well maybe she was! Does not give her the right to hurt your child at all, and as I said earlier the separation seems good. But the fact that she behaved inexcusably doesn’t mean every other thing she said was a lie. I don’t know if this even matters, I guess I don’t know what I’d be saying to my daughter about the separation but I’d focus on the physical harm. I would not say to my DD or the other mom now I am taking a totally different perspective on these other things that happened in the past. That’s all I was saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a close family friend and our kids knew each other since they were babies. The families did everything together, including vacationing. Kids are now in kindergarten .Turns out that her kid was bullying my kid physically and also isolating her from other kids and teachers by spreading rumors. The school separated them and I also cut off all play dates and all activities they had together. I know I did the right thing for my kid but I am still mourning the six yr friendship - even though I hope adults can look pass this the reality is things aren’t the same. Any words of wisdom?

I am curious how a kindergartner isolates another kindergartner from teachers by spreading rumors.

Well the kid would go to the teachers and say that DD was rude. DD would try to deny it and the teachers would not believe her because DD was very attached to this girl and was clingy before.

The facts come slowly from OP but a clearer picture is emerging as to what's really going on.

A clingy friend does not warrant getting bashed up or talked about to other girls.

But from the other girl's perspective she could feel smothered or that she wasn't allowed to have other friends. I know the people here desperately want to tar and feather a 6 year old kindergartens girl and call her a bully for the rest of her days, but perhaps, this was a complicated friendship. But the word "bully" seems to send some people into a tailspin and further discussion is not allowed.

She is being a bully right now. But she doesn't have to be a bully tomorrow. She should neither be coddled and led to believe the behavior was in any way acceptable nor should she be branded a bully forever.

PP again. Wanted to add that let's say OPs kid was being clingy. Is the appropriate response to that to physically hurt her or be exclusionary in a way that involves the teacher and other kids? Absolutely not. Regardless of her motivation, her response was inappropriate bullying behavior. You can't sugar coat that. So regardless of the motivation, she needs to learn that this is not how you handle difficulties in a relationship. Ever.

I really don't understand anyone who is trying to gloss over the behavior of a six year old who hurts another kid in these ways. The fact that the teachers are aware of this to the point that they are separating the girls says a lot to me, none of it good. The OP is not calling for further action. She is just saying she is sad that this will change her relationship with the mom.

But you see plenty of people bemoaning the fact that “subtle bullying” led their child to eventually snap and lash out (verbally or physically) and then the “actual bully” gets their kid in trouble. Who is to say that’s not what’s going on here? The other kid had been saying op’s daughter is mean-it seems more likely she experienced her as mean than a kindergarten kid was undertaking a sophisticated and unprovoked campaign against her. And teachers separate kids all the time-it definitely doesn’t mean one kid is bullying a little angel necessarily.

Then both kids would be in the wrong, right? And both would need some guidance on how to handle the situation more appropriately. And the separation would still be appropriate. And OP could still be sad about the change in the friendship.

So what is your point, exactly? That internet strangers should not make snap judgements about the other six year old? Noted. But she might also just be a mean kid who victimized OP's kid, right? Yup.

I appreciate that many of us have had victimized kids (and that is what it is!) and might read our own stuff into OP's scenario, but that doesn't mean that is what is happening with OP's kid. I find it weird that on DCUM people frequently try to poke holes in the OP this way, frequently assume the OP is withholding something, frequently assume OP's kid deserved whatever they go. It so often seems the PPs are just projecting their own experience, regardless of what OP's reality is.

In the end, even if what you are proposing were true of OP's kid, is it okay for the other kid to punch and exclude in the way she was? No. So the separation of the girls is appropriate either way.

I am not the previous poster but I think you can feel that the separation is appropriate, the other child’s actions were inexcusable and still encourage OP to think through her daughter’s role in this. None us know, of course, but when the attitude is my child is perfect and the things the other child said about her *had* to be lies, this other six year old is just a bad kid with bad parents…well that’s often not the case so a little introspection might be useful, even though it’s hard to think of anything else when your child is hurt. I am sorry your DD was hurt like this, OP.

I'm the PP you are responding to and I appreciate your thoughtful response. I totally agree that in these situations both sets of parents need to look at what might be happening with their own child. There are always two sides to the story.

However, based on OP's responses here, I don't think she is one of those parents who automatically assumed her child was a blameless angel and did no investigation into her child's behavior that may have contributed to the situation. And I don't understand the people who are objecting to the use of the word "bully" or "bullying" in this context. The other child did bully OP's child. I don't see anyone here saying that necessarily means she is a bully forever! I certainly don't think she is automatically a "bad" kid. But she needs guidance and we can call it what it is.

I guess it’s the way she’s looking back at the previous interactions now and saying oh clearly this other girl was lying purposely since now she’s done something really unacceptable. When the other girl told the teachers your daughter was being rude, well maybe she was! Does not give her the right to hurt your child at all, and as I said earlier the separation seems good. But the fact that she behaved inexcusably doesn’t mean every other thing she said was a lie. I don’t know if this even matters, I guess I don’t know what I’d be saying to my daughter about the separation but I’d focus on the physical harm. I would not say to my DD or the other mom now I am taking a totally different perspective on these other things that happened in the past. That’s all I was saying.

I understand what you're saying. My take from the info OP has offered was not that she was assuming that the other kid was lying about her daughter but that based on what she heard from the teachers and talking with her daughter, she had reason to believe the other kid was lying about her child. It can be hard to find the truth in these situations when it is a she said/she said, but it sounds like the teachers believe the other kid was bullying OPs kid. Anyway, I guess the moral of the story is that we can all offer perspectives but ultimately, we weren't there and can pronounce hard and fast judgements. What bothers me is the PPs who automatically assume OP is wrong wrong wrong!

And all OP ever asked for was some condolences about changes to her friendship with the mom!

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Anonymous wrote:I had a close family friend and our kids knew each other since they were babies. The families did everything together, including vacationing. Kids are now in kindergarten .Turns out that her kid was bullying my kid physically and also isolating her from other kids and teachers by spreading rumors. The school separated them and I also cut off all play dates and all activities they had together. I know I did the right thing for my kid but I am still mourning the six yr friendship - even though I hope adults can look pass this the reality is things aren’t the same. Any words of wisdom?

I am curious how a kindergartner isolates another kindergartner from teachers by spreading rumors.

Well the kid would go to the teachers and say that DD was rude. DD would try to deny it and the teachers would not believe her because DD was very attached to this girl and was clingy before.

The facts come slowly from OP but a clearer picture is emerging as to what's really going on.

A clingy friend does not warrant getting bashed up or talked about to other girls.

But from the other girl's perspective she could feel smothered or that she wasn't allowed to have other friends. I know the people here desperately want to tar and feather a 6 year old kindergartens girl and call her a bully for the rest of her days, but perhaps, this was a complicated friendship. But the word "bully" seems to send some people into a tailspin and further discussion is not allowed.

She is being a bully right now. But she doesn't have to be a bully tomorrow. She should neither be coddled and led to believe the behavior was in any way acceptable nor should she be branded a bully forever.

PP again. Wanted to add that let's say OPs kid was being clingy. Is the appropriate response to that to physically hurt her or be exclusionary in a way that involves the teacher and other kids? Absolutely not. Regardless of her motivation, her response was inappropriate bullying behavior. You can't sugar coat that. So regardless of the motivation, she needs to learn that this is not how you handle difficulties in a relationship. Ever.

I really don't understand anyone who is trying to gloss over the behavior of a six year old who hurts another kid in these ways. The fact that the teachers are aware of this to the point that they are separating the girls says a lot to me, none of it good. The OP is not calling for further action. She is just saying she is sad that this will change her relationship with the mom.

But you see plenty of people bemoaning the fact that “subtle bullying” led their child to eventually snap and lash out (verbally or physically) and then the “actual bully” gets their kid in trouble. Who is to say that’s not what’s going on here? The other kid had been saying op’s daughter is mean-it seems more likely she experienced her as mean than a kindergarten kid was undertaking a sophisticated and unprovoked campaign against her. And teachers separate kids all the time-it definitely doesn’t mean one kid is bullying a little angel necessarily.

Then both kids would be in the wrong, right? And both would need some guidance on how to handle the situation more appropriately. And the separation would still be appropriate. And OP could still be sad about the change in the friendship.

So what is your point, exactly? That internet strangers should not make snap judgements about the other six year old? Noted. But she might also just be a mean kid who victimized OP's kid, right? Yup.

I appreciate that many of us have had victimized kids (and that is what it is!) and might read our own stuff into OP's scenario, but that doesn't mean that is what is happening with OP's kid. I find it weird that on DCUM people frequently try to poke holes in the OP this way, frequently assume the OP is withholding something, frequently assume OP's kid deserved whatever they go. It so often seems the PPs are just projecting their own experience, regardless of what OP's reality is.

In the end, even if what you are proposing were true of OP's kid, is it okay for the other kid to punch and exclude in the way she was? No. So the separation of the girls is appropriate either way.

I am not the previous poster but I think you can feel that the separation is appropriate, the other child’s actions were inexcusable and still encourage OP to think through her daughter’s role in this. None us know, of course, but when the attitude is my child is perfect and the things the other child said about her *had* to be lies, this other six year old is just a bad kid with bad parents…well that’s often not the case so a little introspection might be useful, even though it’s hard to think of anything else when your child is hurt. I am sorry your DD was hurt like this, OP.

I'm the PP you are responding to and I appreciate your thoughtful response. I totally agree that in these situations both sets of parents need to look at what might be happening with their own child. There are always two sides to the story.

However, based on OP's responses here, I don't think she is one of those parents who automatically assumed her child was a blameless angel and did no investigation into her child's behavior that may have contributed to the situation. And I don't understand the people who are objecting to the use of the word "bully" or "bullying" in this context. The other child did bully OP's child. I don't see anyone here saying that necessarily means she is a bully forever! I certainly don't think she is automatically a "bad" kid. But she needs guidance and we can call it what it is.

I guess it’s the way she’s looking back at the previous interactions now and saying oh clearly this other girl was lying purposely since now she’s done something really unacceptable. When the other girl told the teachers your daughter was being rude, well maybe she was! Does not give her the right to hurt your child at all, and as I said earlier the separation seems good. But the fact that she behaved inexcusably doesn’t mean every other thing she said was a lie. I don’t know if this even matters, I guess I don’t know what I’d be saying to my daughter about the separation but I’d focus on the physical harm. I would not say to my DD or the other mom now I am taking a totally different perspective on these other things that happened in the past. That’s all I was saying.

I understand what you're saying. My take from the info OP has offered was not that she was assuming that the other kid was lying about her daughter but that based on what she heard from the teachers and talking with her daughter, she had reason to believe the other kid was lying about her child. It can be hard to find the truth in these situations when it is a she said/she said, but it sounds like the teachers believe the other kid was bullying OPs kid. Anyway, I guess the moral of the story is that we can all offer perspectives but ultimately, we weren't there and can pronounce hard and fast judgements. What bothers me is the PPs who automatically assume OP is wrong wrong wrong!

And all OP ever asked for was some condolences about changes to her friendship with the mom!

Yep DCUM does like to trash OP way too often. And it does stink to lose a friendship no matter what!

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OP, you have an opportunity to stay friends with this other mom in a way that she probably does NOT have the opportunity to initiate. She might feel like you're angry with her for what her kid is doing and might think you don't want to spend time with her, but if that isn't true, then please reach out to her and let her know that you want to stay friends, and ask her to coffee!

I have been in a number of situations where I had to lose a really good mom friend because of a situation between our kids, and I would have LOVED for the other mom to have reached out and told me this, but I was in a position where it just wasn't quite appropriate for me to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:For kids that young it’s really better to say her kid was having some behavior issues/acting out rather than bullying. Of course you need to protect your child but calling it bullying in such a young child isn’t fair and you’re right the friendship is t likely to recover.

Why do so many moms here put this shit in threads? OP didn’t tell the other mom nor the school that the nasty kid was ‘bullying.’ You all tell on yourselves so much — anything, ANYTHING, to deflect from the cruel behavior of your own little tater tots. Disgusting. OP did nothing wrong here at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't you just take a break and keep the kids separate for awhile before blowing it all up? They are 6 and by nature and poor social skills. Kids don't get along one month and are best friends the next at this age.

This is not sound advice. Six is plenty old enough to know. Do not put your child with this other child to get re-victimized.

"Re-vitimized"? Good Lord, do you know any 6 year olds?

You must be a mom of a bully.

You must not even have kids to be so clueless.

You are clueless. I have children and am a teacher.

So what is your point? Kids don't engage is this behavior?

Yes they do. That’s not a free pass to beat up a kid. What is your point?

Yet OP is sad the friendship is over. I don't think it happened as she said since she left that out of her OP. She's either trolling or embellishing because the initial comments didn't got the way she intended. If someone actually did that to your kid would you feel bad you couldn't be friends? I wouldn't. Why does OP care about this friendship if things were so bad? Something is off.

I am not trolling. This all happened. I am very sad the friendship was over. Up till now we were very close and the families did everything together.

OP, that’s clear. There are so many facckked up mothers here who will write anything, accuse a poster of anything, to comfort themselves over the nastiness of their kids. I’m sorry that happened. Good on you for protecting your DD — you weren’t even involved in the school action. You owe no apologies to anyone, let alone the idiots here.

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Anonymous wrote:Well the physical stuff was getting punched in the chest and dragging across the floor leaving bruises. The “rumors” part was telling the other girls not to play with DD and making it seem to the teachers that DD was the one who instigated rudeness. Anyways even if I want to go for coffee with the mom, she placed high value on our kids playing together. She’s also very protective of her kid. Now they aren’t the friendship is naturally watered down.

Maybe in a few months the kids can play nicely again. Her child is going to have to learn kindness.

Something about the way you phrased this just rubs me the wrong way.

Quote directly from the teacher. “We are working on teaching *other girl* how to be kind”

Yup. I know a woman who teaches young kids and her own child is an absolute monster. “We’re working on empathy!” Not ‘working’ in an active way, mind you.

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OP well here’s a follow up. We both went to a mutual birthday party. First of all so awkward the mom won’t look me in the eye. We spent the party avoiding each other. Second of all the bully jabbed her fingers in my kids eye when I wasn’t looking. We had told our DD it was ok to play with her but to play with everyone. Not anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a close family friend and our kids knew each other since they were babies. The families did everything together, including vacationing. Kids are now in kindergarten .Turns out that her kid was bullying my kid physically and also isolating her from other kids and teachers by spreading rumors. The school separated them and I also cut off all play dates and all activities they had together. I know I did the right thing for my kid but I am still mourning the six yr friendship - even though I hope adults can look pass this the reality is things aren’t the same. Any words of wisdom?

Did she know her kid was a bully? Now that she does know, what is she doing to change his behavior? If I had ever found out that any my children were bullying, I would be on my knees apologizing to child and parent and getting the help my family needs as I believe bullying is tied into family problems. Frankly, if I were you, I would be glad to have them out of my life and that my child was now safe.

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Well I wrote her a text telling her her kid jabbed my kid in the eye, that maybe she needs some guidance, and that I still loved her and let’s get coffee in a few weeks.

She wrote back saying there’s always two sides of a story, that through her observations my kid was a crybaby, please don’t let my kid play with her kid, and that she has been so stressed.

So I guess it’s really over. Whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't you just take a break and keep the kids separate for awhile before blowing it all up? They are 6 and by nature and poor social skills. Kids don't get along one month and are best friends the next at this age.

Well taking a break means ending play dates. I mean it’s not some explosive break up or shouting match. It’s more of a our kids can’t play now. If the school felt the need to separate them for the rest of the semester, feels counterproductive to keep them in activities after school.

Schools separate for all kinds of reason including a mix of squabbling and joking together as is common in best friends. Unless you had evidence of issues at activities that could not be remedied by closer supervision you really overreacted. And don’t use the word bully. It’s like weirdos who say a kindergarten child assaulted theirs for grabbing a crayon.

Her child was being blued so why shouldn't she call it bullying
Don't tell me a six year old cannot be a bully because they can and are.

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Anonymous wrote:For kids that young it’s really better to say her kid was having some behavior issues/acting out rather than bullying. Of course you need to protect your child but calling it bullying in such a young child isn’t fair and you’re right the friendship is t likely to recover.

Yeah. His behaviors problem is that he is a bully!

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Anonymous wrote:Well I wrote her a text telling her her kid jabbed my kid in the eyle, that maybe she needs some guidance, and that I still loved her and let’s get coffee in a few weeks.

She wrote back saying there’s always two sides of a story, that through her observations my kid was a crybaby, please don’t let my kid play with her kid, and that she has been so stressed.

So I guess it’s really over. Whatever.

Yup and the behavior is only going to get worse so count yourself lucky. You tried. They did not. Rest easy.