Anonymous wrote:I think they WANT to wear it (except maybe Iran). Read their posts online. The hijab is the least of a Saudi woman's concern. They wear it because they believe they should. Not because they are told to.

Do you honestly believe OP that all the Muslim women in America wear the hijab for their husbands? It isn't so. I'm Christian but I am surrounded by Muslim women everyday. One day, ask one if they like to wear it.

Exactly. Like one sheikh said, I invite every person, I invite every woman here, every non-Muslim woman who thinks Muslim Women are wearing the scarf because their husbands told them or someone forced them to wear it , to stop the next muslim woman you meet on the street, you know that one in Tysons, and ask her. I mean, let's not ask Barbara Walters about how Muslim women feel, let's not ask CNN, ABC, FOX, let's not ask the London Times or the NYTimes, let's not ask Non-Muslims about how Muslim women feel, how they live, what are their principles , what are their challenges. If you want to be fair, ask a Muslim woman, ask a Muslim woman that knows her religion, who has a relationship with her creator, ask her. But the problem is no one really wants to ask Muslim women, we want to take pictures of women in Afghanistan, and pictures of women in Iran, and pictures of women in Pakistan, and add our own bias to it. Where you find women oppressed, women exploited ,women mistreated, among Muslims that's because those Muslims themselves are not representing the principles of the religion, and in every religion you have the black sheep, the fundamentalists and the right wings.

Anonymous wrote:Take Iraq for example. One of the hottest (weather wise) countries in the Persian Gulf. I think no man or woman would choose to wear this garb unless forced. ONLY MY OPINION.

Its actually the opposite, at least for ME. I felt cooler because it covered me from the sun

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Anonymous wrote:I get that hijab = modesty, and as long as the woman herself chooses to wear it, I have no issue. I do have an issue with young women wearing tight jeans that emphasize their form and yes, a head scarf. If they choose to embrace their Islamic affiliation, they should also embrace the tenets of modesty... or take off the headscarf.

I used to feel this way too, but it's not really fair to expect that any woman wanting to try hijab must automatically become a super-perfect Muslim. All of us are in the process of learning and growing and figuring out who we are and how we will practice our beliefs. I know it seems hypocritical, but maybe we should be more open-minded.

I agree, hijab is not a symbol of piety. Some Muslim Women are very pious and do not wear the hijab and vice versa. This is why I loved the response of Nouman Ali Khan mashaallah when asked about the hijab and specifically people who didn't wear it or Muslims who wore it with tight clothing ect. I thought his response was beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EfY5b8WSXU

Anonymous wrote:I get that hijab = modesty, and as long as the woman herself chooses to wear it, I have no issue. I do have an issue with young women wearing tight jeans that emphasize their form and yes, a head scarf. If they choose to embrace their Islamic affiliation, they should also embrace the tenets of modesty... or take off the headscarf.

Well, not all women do their hijabs the same way, but I agree that the correct interpretation is that the clothes must be modest and loose fitting but hey teenagers are going to be teens, I guess

I don't know is the analogies are legit or not but when Hajo Meyer , an Auschwitz survivor, says that he "can identify with Palestinian youth and can in no way identify with the criminals who make it impossible for Palestinian youth to be educated.", it begs the question~

Anonymous wrote:Shias pray 3 times per day and Sunnis pray 5 - not all Muslims pray the same way.

All Muslims pray 5 prayers. The Shi’a acknowledge five daily prayers. However, they are allowed to pray them in three distinct times, not five; (BTW, though Sunnis have 5 distinct prayer times, they combine prayers too sometimes, i-e, lets say you a re at work or in the metro when it's time to pray & you wait till you get home to pray and it's already the time for the other prayer, you can combine them)

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Muslima wrote:
I don't have a Version of Islam. There is One version of Islam that all muslims share, the one that was revealed to Prophet Muhammad saw 1400 years ago. Not a single dot was changed/added to it. Muslims will have differing opinions on some things of course but we are blessed as a community in that we have our original book and have had it for 1400 years unchanged and the complete record of the life of our prophet. If anyone comes and says, "This or that is Islam," we can easily check and verify whether or not it's true. If it doesn't come from the Qur'an or Hadith, then it can't be Islam. So we must use those two sources to explain what Islam really is. Sincere people seek to learn and practice the truth and Allah guides those who seek him. Anything else is opinion.

I think the people arguing with you have made their point- a religion is reflected by its adherents.

Your response here indicates that you aren't really taking this seriously. Really, you'd call the disagreements between different sects of Islam "differing opinions?" Isn't that a bit of an understatement? Aren't there several civil wars being fought right now, at this moment, that contradict this? You really think people haven't managed to interpret the Quran and Hadith differently? And maybe you need to have a bit of self-reflection: couldn't it be possible that this narrow, legalistic, "everything you'll ever need to know is HERE! In this book!" form of thinking could perhaps be part of the PROBLEM in the Islamic world? Especially since you can find basically anything you want in said book???

I think the people arguing with you have made their point- a religion is reflected by its adherents.

a haha!!! Yes, adherents, key word, meaning those who follow its teachings, not all Muslims do this. The Prophet Muhammad saw was described as "the walking Quran" in other words, he didn't just read and recite the Quran, he lived it.

Really, you'd call the disagreements between different sects of Islam "differing opinions?" Isn't that a bit of an understatement? Aren't there several civil wars being fought right now, at this moment, that contradict this?

Not me, that legislation was made by scholars. Islam has a Jurisprudence. The broad meaning of Islamic rulings is broken up into three fundamental categories:

1. Theology; what is obligatory for a Muslim to believe about Allah, his angels, books, messengers and the Day of Judgment.

2. Ethics; the positive traits that a Muslim must obtain and the negative traits that he must stay away from.

3. Actions; the actions that a Muslim must perform.

Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.

And maybe you need to have a bit of self-reflection: couldn't it be possible that this narrow, legalistic, "everything you'll ever need to know is HERE! In this book!" form of thinking could perhaps be part of the PROBLEM in the Islamic world? Especially since you can find basically anything you want in said book???

During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....

Anonymous wrote:When you're THAT anchored to some text - like the Quran or the Bible - then something's just not quite right . . .

I prefer to learn about human nature through literature.

Who doesn't love Kahlil Gibran?

I love Kahlil Gibran. " I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers."

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Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am anti-Islam because Muslim extremists tried to kill my uncle. I don't really have any better reasons than that. I understand all of the arguments, that not all practitioners of Islam are violent, that Islam had a golden age sometime in the Middle Ages, that Christians have persecuted millions, etc., etc. But I can't help but notice that so much evil in the world today revolves around Islam.

This does not mean that I am anti-Muslim. I have a lot of Muslim friends and basically keep my sentiments to myself, except for right now as I type this.

I hope that one day, you can experience the beauty of Islam so that somehow, you can see it for more than the evil actions of some. In the end, love will always be stronger than hate

Somehow this response really peeves me. My uncle was almost murdered, do you think that I am interested in experiencing anything that has to do with Islam? I've gotten to see a LOT of Islam, and color me unimpressed.

I am sorry but nor I or Islam are responsible for your uncle almost getting murdered. I hope one day you can experience the beauty of Islam, that is my wish for you~

Yeah, Muslima, if you can't understand how this type of response comes off as arrogant and out-of-touch, you've got an issue that you need to figure out.

You insist, over and over again, that Islam is "perfect" and all those nasty people and terrorists aren't Muslim, but you are, and therefore your version of Islam is the right one. Do you see how this is not really convincing to anyone? Like, if I want to learn about Islam, am I supposed to email you and visit you in particular so I make sure I learn about "real" Islam? I feel that you desperately want to defend Islam but you don't really understand that this forum is not really the best avenue for that. A lot of times I see comments against my religion and I want to defend it, but I realize that people have made their decisions based on their individual experiences and that nothing I can say is going to sway them one way or another.

For good or bad, and this applies to every religion, the best way to "defend" your religion is to live your life in a way that inspires the people around you. That is, with integrity, honesty, and joy.

I've lived in a Muslim country, worked with Muslim people, been woken up by loudspeaker prayers at 5 am, had Muslim friends in college, had Muslim friends from countries all around the world. Never, not once, have I thought "Gee, this person's life has inspired me to learn more about Islam." Something my husband and I have noticed, in fact, is that our Muslim friends frequently have a super casual attitude about lying, and that's the only pattern we've discovered between the two of us.

Don't twist my words. I never said I was perfect, or that I was the Islamic de facto expert. I said if you want to learn about islam, Read the Quran , research the Qu'ran. Don't look at the Muslims and judge Islam by them. That's been my message all along. I don't represent Islam, Islam represents Islam. Allah guides whom he wants and chooses to it, so no you won't be inspired by just interacting with a Muslim....

As far as your experience with Muslims, I wasn't there , can't judge or comment on that, but if that's your experience with all of your Muslim friends, you probably need better friends....

Who says that I haven't read the Quran? The Quran, like many ancient religious books, is more of a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" type of document. It can be interpreted in thousands of different ways, just as the Bible has. It's not particularly inspiring. The way Muslims behave IS important. Muslims around the world represent the many interpretations of the Quran, just like Christians around the world represent Christianity. And you HAVE pointed out, many times, that the people practicing a repressive form of Islam are not really Muslim, or not doing it right. I look at the thousands of Christian denominations different from my own, and I can't just go "oh, all those people aren't Christians because they aren't doing things the way I am." But that's what you've been doing.

Either repressive Islam IS a form of Islam, or YOUR version of Islam is the right one. That's the story you've been giving us through your many, many posts on this topic.

Who says that I haven't read the Quran? The Quran, like many ancient religious books, is more of a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" type of document

That wasn't directed at you, but in general for whoever is curious about Islam, the Quran should be where to get answers but not based on how Muslims choose to live their lives, coz not every Muslim implements the Quranic teachings in their lives. I agree with the last part of your sentence.

you HAVE pointed out, many times, that the people practicing a repressive form of Islam are not really Muslim, or not doing it right. I look at the thousands of Christian denominations different from my own, and I can't just go "oh, all those people aren't Christians because they aren't doing things the way I am." But that's what you've been doing.

Again do not twist words. I have no ability to determine who is a Muslim or not, only Allah knows. As Muslims we Can Not say that a Muslim is a Kaffir unless he tells us so, so be careful with twisting my words. What I said is that the practices and teachings like terrorism, women subjugation, violence, ect are NOT Islamic. Now as far as Christianity is concerned, when I opened a thread about it, Christians came and said there was a gazillion way to practice Christianity and not 2 Christians are alike. Well, Islam is not like that, we have one islam. Muslims all over the world pray the same way and follow the same 5 pillars. There are differences of opinions on some things because we have 4 Schools of Fiqh but the differences among the schools of Jurisprudence do not concern the major beliefs and practices of Islam, rather they properly belong to the area of furu' or the details of religion.

Either repressive Islam IS a form of Islam, or YOUR version of Islam is the right one. That's the story you've been giving us through your many, many posts on this topic

I don't have a Version of Islam. There is One version of Islam that all muslims share, the one that was revealed to Prophet Muhammad saw 1400 years ago. Not a single dot was changed/added to it. Muslims will have differing opinions on some things of course but we are blessed as a community in that we have our original book and have had it for 1400 years unchanged and the complete record of the life of our prophet. If anyone comes and says, "This or that is Islam," we can easily check and verify whether or not it's true. If it doesn't come from the Qur'an or Hadith, then it can't be Islam. So we must use those two sources to explain what Islam really is. Sincere people seek to learn and practice the truth and Allah guides those who seek him. Anything else is opinion.

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Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just be ause they say they deserve those thing does not mean that they are receiving them.

Any woman hidden away and imprisoned in a Saudi burka requiring family could say in a survey that women deserve normal basic freedoms. It doesn't mean anything based on what she is required to do because of Islam and how it is practiced in that society.

The survey is really irrelevant when you look at the actual society.

Well following your thought process, the country is also irrelevant since they don't follow Islamic teachings. On the Islamic Index which shows how a country's laws, economy and social values are in line with Islamic law Saudi Arabia came at the 91th place in the world, so not a beacon of Islamic law. Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic" state, yes the majority is Muslim but they are not even close to being am Islamic state.

Yes, you might say this but country after country, village afte village, iman after iman say that their countries, not just in the middle east but in Africa as well are following the teaches of Islam by killing infidels, imprisoning those who are other religions, restricting women from basic human rights, enforcing child brides, killing a young woman because she dared to fall in love, etc.

If many islamic countries, cities, towns, villages, tribes and clergy say that their way is what Islam teaches and requires, why should other not believe them? Actions speak just as loud as words.

You are picking and choosing just as much as they are picking and choosing.

Don't get me wrong. I admire your efforts. It must be heartbreaking to see a large part of your society to present THAT as the mainstream of your faith.

If your beliefs and practices were actually a large and vocal majority as the face of your religion then you would be looking at a different response to what you are saying. Unfortunately though, your voice is not. I don't fault you for trying.

Regardless of what those leaders say, the Muslims do not agree with them, nor do the, Muslims under their rules agree with them. I think you can understand how dictators think. I don't know if you read one of my earlier posts about this but I said that unfortunately they use religion in those areas to control and manipulate the masses. Look at all those regions, what do they have in common? Imperialism, colonialism, economic and political issues.What you're saying is that the religion in itself is the root of all those evils. That's the point I can't agree with. It's like you telling me the sky is purple, it doesn't matter how many times you say it, It won't be a fact, so saying those teachings are part of Islam because some people say they are wont make a fact. Yes , I'm a Muslim but I also study Islam academically. Islamic Law is very clear, precise but with complexities and we have scholars who dedicated their entire life to it. Just like Mathematics, there are a set of Basic Rules & Regulations that a mufti (Scholar who gives fatwa) must comply with. Those rules and regulations are The Holy Qur'an and the Sahih Ahadith which by any means cant be changed and haven't been changed for 1400 years and are used by all muslims. If you needed legal advice today, you wouldn't go ask Obama, you'd go to a lawyer. Just because someone says"this is an Islamic law" doesn't make it so. For me to agree with you, it would mean I'd have to say for the past 1400 years, all the scholars of Islam got it wrong, the only people who got it right are the politicians/leaders of these Muslim countries you're talking about. There are literally millions upon millions of Muslims in this world who agree with me that the Quran champions justice, equity, liberty, peace, and compassion and these Muslims accept the Quran in its entirety, which guides them to exemplify peace, tolerance, pluralism, and justice. Are we really going to believe that only the intolerant and dangerous Muslims accurately understand their faith, whereas the tolerant and peaceful Muslims do not? You want to judge Islam, do so but do it on its merit which is by the Quran and the example of the prophet Muhammad saw but not what Imam Google or Sheikh Wikipedia said.

Your previous quote on a different thread:

"Well they have been rejected by all reputable Muslim scholars and Theologians. Their actions are against Islam so ya they might think of me as a kuffar but it doesn't make them right. Btw, I don't like the term moderate Muslim, it somehow implies that Islam is only acceptable when it is diluted and that Orthodox Islam is violent or extreme. Muslims are just Muslims, some follow their religion, others don't. Same with all religions. There are practicing Christians and non practicing Christians. I wouldn't call them radical Christians or moderate Christians. The irony is Islam in itself is moderate so the term moderate Muslim is redundant....."

This is an example of where it seems you pick and choose as you see fit. Yet you say that others pick and choose to judge Islam as we see fit, instead of the 'correct' way.

That quote was in reference to ISIS, the terrorrist group. All Muslim scholars have denounced their actions, that had nothing to do with picking and choosing. Obviously one can certainly look at a Terrorist group and say they do not represent the teachings of Islam, why is that so hard to comprehend?

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Anonymous wrote:If gestational surrogate then why was he not claimed by biological parent(s)/father - he did not have Down's Syndrome, after all!

God could of used DNA from existing living humans or he could of just made an embryo from scratch(like he did with Adam and Eve) and implanted it into Mary.

I don't recall anything in the Bible about God making Adam and Eve from an embryo. Embryos are not mentioned in the bible at all, I'm almost positive. They are one of those scientific findings that people didn't know about when the bible was first written, so god did not want to confuse people with ideas they could not understand.

There's nothing about that in the bible either, but I've heard it explained that way by people trying to understand why the bible left out so much.

I didn't mean God made an embryo of Adam and Eve. I meant God made Adam and Eve from scratch. So given he can make things from scratch, he could of made an embryo from scratch as well.

If he can make things from scratch, you'd think he would have made them without error, but no - humans have all sorts of awful diseases and conditions.

God is a flawed creator

That was His Choice, He Does what He Wills......

Actually, it was Adam and Eve's choice not Gods.

I wasnt respond to the Adam and Eve's comment but to the person who posted after that. ....

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am anti-Islam because Muslim extremists tried to kill my uncle. I don't really have any better reasons than that. I understand all of the arguments, that not all practitioners of Islam are violent, that Islam had a golden age sometime in the Middle Ages, that Christians have persecuted millions, etc., etc. But I can't help but notice that so much evil in the world today revolves around Islam.

This does not mean that I am anti-Muslim. I have a lot of Muslim friends and basically keep my sentiments to myself, except for right now as I type this.

I hope that one day, you can experience the beauty of Islam so that somehow, you can see it for more than the evil actions of some. In the end, love will always be stronger than hate

Somehow this response really peeves me. My uncle was almost murdered, do you think that I am interested in experiencing anything that has to do with Islam? I've gotten to see a LOT of Islam, and color me unimpressed.

I am sorry but nor I or Islam are responsible for your uncle almost getting murdered. I hope one day you can experience the beauty of Islam, that is my wish for you~

Yeah, Muslima, if you can't understand how this type of response comes off as arrogant and out-of-touch, you've got an issue that you need to figure out.

You insist, over and over again, that Islam is "perfect" and all those nasty people and terrorists aren't Muslim, but you are, and therefore your version of Islam is the right one. Do you see how this is not really convincing to anyone? Like, if I want to learn about Islam, am I supposed to email you and visit you in particular so I make sure I learn about "real" Islam? I feel that you desperately want to defend Islam but you don't really understand that this forum is not really the best avenue for that. A lot of times I see comments against my religion and I want to defend it, but I realize that people have made their decisions based on their individual experiences and that nothing I can say is going to sway them one way or another.

For good or bad, and this applies to every religion, the best way to "defend" your religion is to live your life in a way that inspires the people around you. That is, with integrity, honesty, and joy.

I've lived in a Muslim country, worked with Muslim people, been woken up by loudspeaker prayers at 5 am, had Muslim friends in college, had Muslim friends from countries all around the world. Never, not once, have I thought "Gee, this person's life has inspired me to learn more about Islam." Something my husband and I have noticed, in fact, is that our Muslim friends frequently have a super casual attitude about lying, and that's the only pattern we've discovered between the two of us.

Don't twist my words. I never said I was perfect, or that I was the Islamic de facto expert. I said if you want to learn about islam, Read the Quran , research the Qu'ran. Don't look at the Muslims and judge Islam by them. That's been my message all along. I don't represent Islam, Islam represents Islam. Allah guides whom he wants and chooses to it, so no you won't be inspired by just interacting with a Muslim....

As far as your experience with Muslims, I wasn't there , can't judge or comment on that, but if that's your experience with all of your Muslim friends, you probably need better friends....

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just be ause they say they deserve those thing does not mean that they are receiving them.

Any woman hidden away and imprisoned in a Saudi burka requiring family could say in a survey that women deserve normal basic freedoms. It doesn't mean anything based on what she is required to do because of Islam and how it is practiced in that society.

The survey is really irrelevant when you look at the actual society.

Well following your thought process, the country is also irrelevant since they don't follow Islamic teachings. On the Islamic Index which shows how a country's laws, economy and social values are in line with Islamic law Saudi Arabia came at the 91th place in the world, so not a beacon of Islamic law. Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic" state, yes the majority is Muslim but they are not even close to being am Islamic state.

Yes, you might say this but country after country, village afte village, iman after iman say that their countries, not just in the middle east but in Africa as well are following the teaches of Islam by killing infidels, imprisoning those who are other religions, restricting women from basic human rights, enforcing child brides, killing a young woman because she dared to fall in love, etc.

If many islamic countries, cities, towns, villages, tribes and clergy say that their way is what Islam teaches and requires, why should other not believe them? Actions speak just as loud as words.

You are picking and choosing just as much as they are picking and choosing.

Don't get me wrong. I admire your efforts. It must be heartbreaking to see a large part of your society to present THAT as the mainstream of your faith.

If your beliefs and practices were actually a large and vocal majority as the face of your religion then you would be looking at a different response to what you are saying. Unfortunately though, your voice is not. I don't fault you for trying.

Regardless of what those leaders say, the Muslims do not agree with them, nor do the, Muslims under their rules agree with them. I think you can understand how dictators think. I don't know if you read one of my earlier posts about this but I said that unfortunately they use religion in those areas to control and manipulate the masses. Look at all those regions, what do they have in common? Imperialism, colonialism, economic and political issues.What you're saying is that the religion in itself is the root of all those evils. That's the point I can't agree with. It's like you telling me the sky is purple, it doesn't matter how many times you say it, It won't be a fact, so saying those teachings are part of Islam because some people say they are wont make a fact. Yes , I'm a Muslim but I also study Islam academically. Islamic Law is very clear, precise but with complexities and we have scholars who dedicated their entire life to it. Just like Mathematics, there are a set of Basic Rules & Regulations that a mufti (Scholar who gives fatwa) must comply with. Those rules and regulations are The Holy Qur'an and the Sahih Ahadith which by any means cant be changed and haven't been changed for 1400 years and are used by all muslims. If you needed legal advice today, you wouldn't go ask Obama, you'd go to a lawyer. Just because someone says"this is an Islamic law" doesn't make it so. For me to agree with you, it would mean I'd have to say for the past 1400 years, all the scholars of Islam got it wrong, the only people who got it right are the politicians/leaders of these Muslim countries you're talking about. There are literally millions upon millions of Muslims in this world who agree with me that the Quran champions justice, equity, liberty, peace, and compassion and these Muslims accept the Quran in its entirety, which guides them to exemplify peace, tolerance, pluralism, and justice. Are we really going to believe that only the intolerant and dangerous Muslims accurately understand their faith, whereas the tolerant and peaceful Muslims do not? You want to judge Islam, do so but do it on its merit which is by the Quran and the example of the prophet Muhammad saw but not what Imam Google or Sheikh Wikipedia said.

Anonymous wrote:Hassle in the UK:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/16/uk-debate-muslim-veils_n_3935701.html

Wasting taxpayer dollars on driver license photos:
http://islam.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=islam&cdn=religion&tm=40&f=00&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=12&bt=6&bts=25&zu=http%3A//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2970514.stm

Does TSA take them to a private room? That is staff time and money. Testing sites?

Public schools with designated rooms for prayers and washing? Any CCD or Hebrew classes on-site?

I don't agree with this. These women who choose to cover their faces should take it off when required by law, they have to abide to the law like any other citizen.

Anonymous wrote:Just be ause they say they deserve those thing does not mean that they are receiving them.

Any woman hidden away and imprisoned in a Saudi burka requiring family could say in a survey that women deserve normal basic freedoms. It doesn't mean anything based on what she is required to do because of Islam and how it is practiced in that society.

The survey is really irrelevant when you look at the actual society.

Well following your thought process, the country is also irrelevant since they don't follow Islamic teachings. On the Islamic Index which shows how a country's laws, economy and social values are in line with Islamic law Saudi Arabia came at the 91th place in the world, so not a beacon of Islamic law. Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic" state, yes the majority is Muslim but they are not even close to being am Islamic state.