S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

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Anonymous wrote:I get that hijab = modesty, and as long as the woman herself chooses to wear it, I have no issue. I do have an issue with young women wearing tight jeans that emphasize their form and yes, a head scarf. If they choose to embrace their Islamic affiliation, they should also embrace the tenets of modesty... or take off the headscarf.


I used to feel this way too, but it's not really fair to expect that any woman wanting to try hijab must automatically become a super-perfect Muslim. All of us are in the process of learning and growing and figuring out who we are and how we will practice our beliefs. I know it seems hypocritical, but maybe we should be more open-minded.


I agree, hijab is not a symbol of piety. Some Muslim Women are very pious and do not wear the hijab and vice versa. This is why I loved the response of Nouman Ali Khan mashaallah when asked about the hijab and specifically people who didn't wear it or Muslims who wore it with tight clothing ect. I thought his response was beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EfY5b8WSXU
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Anonymous wrote:Take Iraq for example. One of the hottest (weather wise) countries in the Persian Gulf. I think no man or woman would choose to wear this garb unless forced. ONLY MY OPINION.


Its actually the opposite, at least for ME. I felt cooler because it covered me from the sun
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I see loads of Japanese women covering themselves entirely (full sleeves shirts, pants, covered shoes, hats and scarves) because they like to protect their skins from wrinkling.

I do not find anyone objecting to that.
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Anonymous wrote:I see loads of Japanese women covering themselves entirely (full sleeves shirts, pants, covered shoes, hats and scarves) because they like to protect their skins from wrinkling.

I do not find anyone objecting to that.


I have never seen this. I have seen Asian women with umbrellas but never more than that.
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I think they WANT to wear it (except maybe Iran). Read their posts online. The hijab is the least of a Saudi woman's concern. They wear it because they believe they should. Not because they are told to.

Do you honestly believe OP that all the Muslim women in America wear the hijab for their husbands? It isn't so. I'm Christian but I am surrounded by Muslim women everyday. One day, ask one if they like to wear it.
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I don't care much about what adult women do, but when I see a grown woman in the US in a full black outfit, rather than just a head scarf, I have to think that there is a bit of a "fuck you" to American culture. Her family is trying to make sure that we understand that they don't approve of our culture. It's a bit rude. . .


Not particularly.

I would object to kids dressed without winter coats in winter weather, too. Jeans and a long sleeve cotton/spandex shirt in the summer in most of the US is not appropriate. It's too heavy and too hot. Parents could at least make an effort to dress those girls in light pants and shirts, but they don't. It's abusive. Over-heating, dehydration and heat stroke are real issues even when dressed appropriately. It's a worse issue when the kids are wearing jeans. Kids are everyone's concern, not just the parents.

As far as adults go, we require our American military women to dress in the full black outfit when they are in Saudi, because it's respectful of our hosts. Our reporters wear headscarves when they are reporting from Muslim countries. Our First Ladies frequently wears headscarves when visiting Muslim countries. The refusal of some Muslim women to modify their dress from the full black outfit to something more similar to what Americans wear when they are here is disrespectful.



WTF are you all talking about? How is it disrespectful for a woman to cover herself because she believes god wants her to do that, or because that is her comfort zone based on how she's dressed her entire adult life? She is covering herself to respect herself and for god.
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Anonymous wrote:I think they WANT to wear it (except maybe Iran). Read their posts online. The hijab is the least of a Saudi woman's concern. They wear it because they believe they should. Not because they are told to.

Do you honestly believe OP that all the Muslim women in America wear the hijab for their husbands? It isn't so. I'm Christian but I am surrounded by Muslim women everyday. One day, ask one if they like to wear it.


Exactly. Like one sheikh said, I invite every person, I invite every woman here, every non-Muslim woman who thinks Muslim Women are wearing the scarf because their husbands told them or someone forced them to wear it , to stop the next muslim woman you meet on the street, you know that one in Tysons, and ask her. I mean, let's not ask Barbara Walters about how Muslim women feel, let's not ask CNN, ABC, FOX, let's not ask the London Times or the NYTimes, let's not ask Non-Muslims about how Muslim women feel, how they live, what are their principles , what are their challenges. If you want to be fair, ask a Muslim woman, ask a Muslim woman that knows her religion, who has a relationship with her creator, ask her. But the problem is no one really wants to ask Muslim women, we want to take pictures of women in Afghanistan, and pictures of women in Iran, and pictures of women in Pakistan, and add our own bias to it. Where you find women oppressed, women exploited ,women mistreated, among Muslims that's because those Muslims themselves are not representing the principles of the religion, and in every religion you have the black sheep, the fundamentalists and the right wings.
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Anonymous wrote:I see loads of Japanese women covering themselves entirely (full sleeves shirts, pants, covered shoes, hats and scarves) because they like to protect their skins from wrinkling.

I do not find anyone objecting to that.


What in the world are you talking about?
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Muslima, I do not know who you are, where you are from, whether you are male or female.

All I am saying is this. I will NEVER wear these OUTFITS no matter whom I marry. Quite frankly, I wouldn't marry anyone who "required" me to dress like that.

Bless you all.
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Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I do not know who you are, where you are from, whether you are male or female.

All I am saying is this. I will NEVER wear these OUTFITS no matter whom I marry. Quite frankly, I wouldn't marry anyone who "required" me to dress like that.

Bless you all.



People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost. Be blessed on your path~
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think they WANT to wear it (except maybe Iran). Read their posts online. The hijab is the least of a Saudi woman's concern. They wear it because they believe they should. Not because they are told to.

Do you honestly believe OP that all the Muslim women in America wear the hijab for their husbands? It isn't so. I'm Christian but I am surrounded by Muslim women everyday. One day, ask one if they like to wear it.


Exactly. Like one sheikh said, I invite every person, I invite every woman here, every non-Muslim woman who thinks Muslim Women are wearing the scarf because their husbands told them or someone forced them to wear it , to stop the next muslim woman you meet on the street, you know that one in Tysons, and ask her. I mean, let's not ask Barbara Walters about how Muslim women feel, let's not ask CNN, ABC, FOX, let's not ask the London Times or the NYTimes, let's not ask Non-Muslims about how Muslim women feel, how they live, what are their principles , what are their challenges. If you want to be fair, ask a Muslim woman, ask a Muslim woman that knows her religion, who has a relationship with her creator, ask her. But the problem is no one really wants to ask Muslim women, we want to take pictures of women in Afghanistan, and pictures of women in Iran, and pictures of women in Pakistan, and add our own bias to it. Where you find women oppressed, women exploited ,women mistreated, among Muslims that's because those Muslims themselves are not representing the principles of the religion, and in every religion you have the black sheep, the fundamentalists and the right wings.


So as I understand, in the US women are wearing because they want to, to express faith in their religion. I can accept that.

In other Muslim (vs Islamic) countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and countless more, women are wearing because they are oppressed. So I am assuming they are being forced to wear it and they have no other option. And this is all man made and not dictated by religion. Islam says women are free to wear or not wear, and the religion imposes no punishment or stigmatization for not wearing the hijab?

And then these Muslim(vs Islamic) countries that force oppression on women are all under Western influence?
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Anonymous wrote:I think they WANT to wear it (except maybe Iran). Read their posts online. The hijab is the least of a Saudi woman's concern. They wear it because they believe they should. Not because they are told to.

Do you honestly believe OP that all the Muslim women in America wear the hijab for their husbands? It isn't so. I'm Christian but I am surrounded by Muslim women everyday. One day, ask one if they like to wear it.


Brainwashed people do things b/c it's all they know.

Are you too stupid to figure that out?

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IMO, there is a HUGE difference between wearing Hijab/headscarf/modest clothes and completely OBLITERATING your identity by wearing Ni'qab/facial veil.

I'm totally cool with hijab and modest dress. Not cool with veiling your face.

There is such a wide range of how women wear hijab. For examply, during my evening walk I saw:

1. a young muslim woman in a headscarf, but wearing a form fitting spandex tank dress. She had an incredible body and I couldn't help but think, what is the purpose of covering your hair and neck if you are going to wear something like that? Her friend was also wearing a head scarf, but had on skin tight stretch jeans and a skin tight shirt that left nothing to the imagination.

2. a woman wearing modest pants, a tunic, and a headscarf.

3. a group of (I'm assuming) tourists. The women were all wearing full facial veil and even gloves, while the men were wearing regular tanks/tees and shorts. They were taking pictures - but what is the point of taking a photo of yourself if you can't even see your face to know that it is you in the photo later?
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Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I do not know who you are, where you are from, whether you are male or female.

All I am saying is this. I will NEVER wear these OUTFITS no matter whom I marry. Quite frankly, I wouldn't marry anyone who "required" me to dress like that.

Bless you all.


Then stay away from extremist views.

Orthodox and Hasidic Jews are in that category. But I highly doubt they'd welcome you into the family - even if you converted. lol
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Anonymous wrote:I see loads of Japanese women covering themselves entirely (full sleeves shirts, pants, covered shoes, hats and scarves) because they like to protect their skins from wrinkling.

I do not find anyone objecting to that.


Sunscreen works, too.

as do hats
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