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Anonymous wrote:This is not a surprise. When people aren't getting vaccinated the virus will continue to mutate.


Yes - and when we don't also vaccinate the world - it will often happen outside our country then get brought here too.


You're aware that vaccine resistance is hardly a US only thing? South Africa has refused delivery of several million doses due to it.
I bet he got some experimental for COVID treatments, too.
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Donald Trump does not deny this. What he said was after realizing what a “creep” he was, he did not associate with him anymore.


I'm inclined to agree with quantian's Twitter analysis on Epstein:

https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1148303671857491968

(Basically, Epstein was running this as a huge blackmail ring, and 70-80% of the people attending - your "regular" CEOs, Nobel scientists, etc., may have just enjoyed the fancy food and fancy company.)

I suspect Trump, and other billionaires who broke w/ Epstein, asked Epstein to procure a woman and either got cold feet or didn't understand what kind of woman Epstein would procure. Or, they got wind of what Epstein was up to, and those young looking women weren't exactly college girls making an extra few grand a night.

But Trump was part of that bi-partisan elite and he managed to convince the masses that he wasn't really one of the elites. Pretty good con job.

But we still have to address the legitimate grievances of conservatives. Counterinsurgency 101.
I'm guessing if Roe is overturned you'll see a "straight" 6-week ban coming out in several states. There'll be calls to pack the court for sure but I can't see that getting past Manchema, much less any Republicans.

The Texas bans open a Pandora's box I'm pretty sure no one really wants open. But who knows, SCOTUS may be just that stupid/blinkered/confident the Dems won't ever play that dirty.

But ... I'm not seeing how this does anything other than make the usual bicoastal suspects from Blue Fortress states (states that HRC won by >10%) angrier. And nearly all of us are just that, the usual bicoastal suspects, myself included. How many people are actually going to go from R->D or NV->D?

So yay, NY Dems win 68-30 instead of 64-34. Big whoop. CT and WA become even more Democratic. Yay, I suppose.

Does running on a platform of abortion rights do anything for Dems in the Midwest and swingy Sun Belt states? Some states seem to WANT to be in Ireland 1980.

Go ahead and call me a concern troll or an Eeyore. But when has running on abortion rights EVER won anything outside the Blue Fortress?
Plessy v Ferguson was 1896 and Brown v Board was 1954 - 58 years. SCOTUS will change its decisions from time to time. It's been 48 years since Roe.

Who, other than the usual suspects, will really get up in arms over this?

I'm sensing zero proof any voters who aren't already in the tank for D's will get animated over this, or this just makes blue states bluer. Big freaking deal if Dems win CA 70-30 instead of 65-35. I care about winning MI, GA, NC, PA, and AZ.

I will eat everything I'm saying if somehow SCOTUS upholds the Texas law. That's Ireland 1980 shiat right there, not to mention the ... weirdness of who has standing to sue here.

People outside the yuppie bubble just aren't going to get mad or activate themselves over parental notification, 15-20 week limits, or hospital admission policies.
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BlueFredneck wrote:
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BlueFredneck wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.

This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.

End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.


Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.

(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)


As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.


There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)

Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold.


The Red Wall voted for Brexit and BoJo delivered Brexit - which is why they voted for him. Talking about Brexit at this point is merely grappling for excuses specifically to blame it on something you never liked, Brexit. Some of the problems if not much of it is more related to the post-COVID economic situation that we find in the US too - shortages, inflation, supply chain issues.

BoJo is an intriguing person, to put it politely. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next year. The party may push him out. Some of his problems are of his own making. Or it's merely political doldrums filling the pages for the sake of having something to talk about and will die down. Or all of the above. But this thread is about Zemmour, not BoJo.



OK I'll gladly concede that the shortages may be the more universal shortages and not due to Brexit per se.

Of course the LibDems and Greens will eagerly blame Brexit for that in an effort to become more relevant (remember - well you probably do - that FOUR parties took a lead in the summer of 2019, the LibDems and Brexit Parties briefly, and of course the Tories and Labour.) Labour seems to realize they can't be Remoaners and what's done is done for a generation at least.

Another PP claimed that polls are always bad and always wrong and always worthless. I found that overly facile.
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BlueFredneck wrote:I'd be surprised if Cox broke 30% and he'd lose Frederick, AA, Howard, and Baltimore - probably by double digits - in the process. He might have trouble breaking double digits in Prince George's and topping 15% in Montgomery.

Schulz is playing a bit of footsie with the Trump crowd a la Youngkin, but in a primary, the base wants what the base wants.

Steele has the best chance to take on Hogan's mantle. He should win if Schulz drops out.

Has Ficker ever come out as a Trumper? His website looks straight outta 1999.

Do you think Schulz would drop out? Why, when she has Hogan’s endorsement?


At the time I wrote, I didn't realize Schulz had the endorsement. Steele waited too long.
Sure they do, but they also get very uncomfortable when they hear a woman died of sepsis because the fetus she was carrying was only mostly dead, and no one would help her until it was actually dead. It took one case with that fact pattern to change the law in Ireland of all places.

I don’t think the right wing has taken into account just how much the world has changed since Roe. Privacy and shame are out the window. Social media provides a way for a woman or her loved ones to reach a global audience fast. There will be no tragedies in the shadows that can be conveniently ignored. Eventually Pro-lifers are going to be called to account for the death and destruction they are causing.


As for Ireland: The amendment was approved on a single-issue vote, to change the status quo of "abortion banned entirely." Nearly all political parties came together to support the 36th Amendment. While some voters might be willing to vote pro-choice on a single issue black and white thing. Abortion in Ireland is legal for the first 12 weeks, and in cases of a fatal fetal abnormality/threat to the mother's life. I suspect most pro-choice activists in the USA would see that as a step backwards, but American activists for guns and abortions (or both!) do like their absolute freedoms.

TX is basically Cersei playing with wildfire.

MS is the more likely model red states will follow. People will get mad over "total ban." They won't be as mad (if the goal is to get people other than the usual suspects) over "banned after 15/20 weeks and providers must have admitting privileges at a local hospital, and parental notification/permission must be obtained."
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BlueFredneck wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.

This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.

End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.


Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.

(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)


As someone who follows British politics closely, BoJo's declining polling is less to do with Brexit but more other factors. The rest of his party remains much more popular and there is no appetite to resurrecting the Brexit question. People have moved on.


There's some sleaze scandals but it's a chicken-egg thing whether the post-Brexit shortages make the sleaze scandals worse and vice-versa. But yes, BoJo himself is getting dented, although whether it's a true hull breach remains to be seen. (He's got until 2024, and I don't see him calling an early election this time 'round unless there's a massive rebellion on the back benches over these corruption scandals.)

Also a lot depends on how much of the newly-converted Red Wall seats remember they're Labour or if BoJo's being less hardcore (comparatively) on economic issues will keep recent converts in the North of England in the fold.
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BlueFredneck wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.

This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.

End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.


Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.

(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)



The polls showed Hillary was going to win, yet we got Trump. The polls weren't able to detect that the conservatives would overwhelmingly win in the UK, yet they did. So much for the usefulness of polls.


were polls off by 10+ points in either UK-GE2019 or USA-Pres 2016? come on, folks were predicting a 40-50 seat majority and when Corbynism failboated, we got an 86 seat majority for Boris. Point being, polls were off by margin or error or just more for UK-Brexit, UK-GE2019, and USA-Pres 2016 - for Macron to lose we'd have to see a failure GREATER than any modern polling has yet seen.
Anonymous wrote:Wow look at that, suddenly Europe isn't the utopia it is purported to be by American democrats.

This will be like the UK, where everyone was 'shocked' when the conservatives throughly trounced the liberals in parliament and won seats they hadn't held for almost 70 years. People are sick and tired of unfettered mass migration, open borders, and destruction of their way of life.

End of the EU? So much hyperbole, OP.


Polls on Brexit showed within a few points. Macron is winning by 15+ against any of Zemmour, Le Pen, or whoever the Republicans spit out from their primary.

(Also we have post-Brexit life in reality, and BoJo is running neck and neck with Starmer due to the various problems post-Brexit life is providing.)
(He's running for French President against incumbent Macron, who's a right-liberal.)

Thing is, who's he going to get that Le Pen isn't already getting?

Is he going to sap some points from LR (center-right) - because he may well sap enough strength from Le Pen that the runoff goes to Macron against either of LR's winner or (if two of the three lefties - Melenchon, Jadot, or Hidalgo - join forces) and leftist candidate.

Recent polls show Macron defeating Zemmour 60-40 in a runoff.
I'm skeptical that there exist a group of people who'll flip R->D or NV->D if Dems just hammer home hard enough on abortion. I do remain open to persuasion otherwise, but most people outside the educated liberal bubble start getting uncomfortable with it after 20 weeks.

Or, how have Dems been doing electorally this century after going from "safe, legal, and rare" to "abortion all the time until 40 weeks!"?

Abortion's probably harder to get in more states than it was in 2000, and the GOP has built up trifectas in what, 26 or 27 states?
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Anonymous wrote:PP, you can't separate the COVID from the pneumonia. Pneumonia literally means "inflammation of the lungs."

What is inflaming them? In this case, COVID-19. In other cases, it might be Streptococcus pneumoniae or Haemophilus influenzae. But you don't say of the most common cases of death from pneumonia that "oh well, the Streptococcus bacteria is really irrelevant -- it's the pneumonia that did him in."

That's just a really peculiar and untenable perspective.


Ask Florida why their COVID rates are so low? Because they classify the deaths as pneumonia.



They're not even that low anymore. #9 in deaths per 100k people and #14 in cases. In June, De Santis might've been able to argue a conservative case (a la Sweden, which was a favorite of conservatives for several months until they went all normie on us in winter 2020-1) for fighting COVID, but not now, not post-Delta.
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BlueFredneck wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My booster was free to me.

And yes, I will never understand the "i would rather be treated for an illness than just avoid getting sick in the first place" but that is the intellect and rationale of the modern GOP.


It was free to me, too, but I figure someone, somewhere along the line gave Big Pharma $50.

For some reason, the vaccine skeptics have decided they'd rather hit up taxpayers and insurance companies an extra $450 or $4,950. I suppose eventually we'll run into some real money. But the thing is, we can't do a thing about vaccine skeptics outside the US.

I don't understand their willingness to subject themselves to experimental treatments, but I guess they're convinced the 1.5 billion plus people that've gotten a vaccine will regret it Any Day Now.

I still wish I had enhanced 5G, though. That'd have been cool.


Astounding how they consider the approved vaccines with hundreds of millions of doses administered with astronomically small (less than 0.001%) proven incidences of serious side effects to be "experimental" while happily going in whole hog on far more experimental and far-less studied things like horse paste and hydroxy chloroquine and monoclonal antibodies.


And don't forget how actually getting COVID has worse side effects than the vaccines in many/most cases (there might be some legit debate about getting the vaccine for the 16 and under crowd, but most of the strongly anti-vax folks I know are 40+, obese, and/or in otherwise poor health.)
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