This Chivas guy is really making me laugh....You rule!

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dedicateddad wrote:I wish there were less anonymous posters in this thread...I can't keep track of who I am having a productive conversation with and who is trolling me. I will continue to raise my kids as I see fit but I was interested in some real people having a real discussion about this. The Euro philosophy does work well. In my extensive European travels I have seen a lower incidence of kids going crazy with alcohol and drugs like American kids do...and I do blame boring white puritanical people for making it seem so mysterious because of the way we hide drugs alcohol and sex. To those who just keep saying this mindset is "creepy" I encourage you to elaborate...that's the point right? Discussion?

dedicated, I could not agree more. It is not as if my wife and I are buying the kids poor-quality alcohol at a corner shop. We only shop at Whole Foods, and try to buy organic wines/liquor/beer in order to stay on the healthy side. Also, teens have to learn their limits, and we would rather have them safe at home than driving drunk or going to wild beer parties.

That is HIGHlarious! That's right, just stay on the healthy side of underage drinking by insisting on only the top shelf stuff. How do these kids get home? Do you drive them? Do you call their parents and say "you kid is wasted and needs a ride home, AGAIN?" or just hand them their car keys. Utterly irresponsible.

The kids stay over, no one leaves until the next day and we make sure that they are OK when they do...now currently they don't have car keys as my kids and their friends are only 14 going on 15 but when that becomes an issue we will make sure that they are OK to drive in the morning (or to be more likely the early afternoon). Again my kids are not binge drinking and beer bonging or whatever they call it. They are kicking back and playing music and having some beers. They are watching sports or movies and having fun. I bet at most my 14 year olds have drank 4 or 5 beers in a night...not the kind of thing people are exactly dying off of....

I have a hard time believing taking away their toys or making them sit on the stairs and have a time out would have taught them much of anything...I sure hope that my kids take these lessons I'm teaching them into the future and they whoop their kids asses too!

I have the respect of my children...and they were physically disciplined when they stepped out of line. They are 14 now and I don't think I've had an occasion to raise a hand to them in well over a year. They have more freedoms than many of their contemporaries because they have earned my trust with their positive behavior. I showed them structure, I showed them the value of never doing less than your best, and I taught them that sometimes if you do the wrong thing there are consequences for their actions. I was brought up similarly and love my family. They didn't abuse me and I was never hit when I didn't deserve it. In fact when I think back on my upbringing it seems like I was almost forcing my father to whoop my ass. But now I see the fruits of that in my own kids. Respectful, strong, intelligent and their intentions are good.

What exactly are these little snots supposed to FEAR? Not playing their Xbox? Taking away their phones? Sure I guess those are repercussions technically but come on...

17:17 your music collection is pretty well stocked!

My kids (at 9 or so) started to get really interested in music which I thought was great...until I started to think about a lot of the stuff I had in my collection....Yeah I love Black Sabbath and Alice Cooper but I had to think twice about letting them listen to some of those songs until they were older. But when my 12 year old (at the time) twins came in and sang "I love the Dead" by Alice Cooper complete with funny zombie facepaint and their eyes rolled up in their heads....I had to laugh no matter how inappropriate that song is. I don't think they really got EXACTLY what Mr. Cooper was getting at with that song....fortunately.

Anonymous wrote:I have to say,I find OP's post well intentioned but, well, odd. This is how many teens act, OP. I see polite groups of teens out and about all the time. What were you expecting? Marauding, cursing, leaving their trays on the table louts? Too much! I'm the mom of a 14-year-old. So, this amuses me.

Actually that is the kind of behavior I have been forced to expect...because I rarely see groups of kids acting that way and wish I saw more of the behavior the original poster saw...maybe I'd become a little less cynical about the state of affairs with teenage hooligans.

16:55 has it right...just try to show your kid what good stuff is musically and you won't have to worry about them when they get into the mid-older teens. If they are growing up right then you can start trusting them to make right decisions and to stay away from all the sex songs and the cop killing and the gangsta rap.

I agree that it wasn't just the fact that they hit me that I learned how to act but I know that was what I responded to most regularly. If I caught a bad one and got the belt I never did it again. If I got caught and talked to about it, I was just more careful about not getting caught next time....and I think that behavior is worse because I knew it was wrong, chose to do it anyway and even premeditated ways to avoid getting caught...double rebellion. The rest of the wonderful life I was given helped shape me as well but I can only imagine how much worse it could have been if it weren't for that good old fashioned healthy fear of repercussions.

I live in Bethesda and this was at Walter Johnson high school and at the CVS in Wildwood shopping center on Old Georgetown Rd. I see this behavior on nearly a daily basis but I grew up in a military family and am very focused on respect....I have a feeling if I was less focused then I wouldn't notice it as much.

I see these kids on a daily basis. Today there was a girl in the CVS with her mother when I went in. She called her mom a shithead or something like that in front of 20 people...in the same store there was this girl probably abut 11-12 dressed so whorish I couldn't believe it....right next to her mother who looked like a perfectly normal person. The little girl started yelling at her mom because she wouldn't buy her the Juicy perfume and was making a huge scene. She actually threw herself down on the ground (which I thought kids outgrew by 11-12 more like 5 or 6) and her shorts were so short I could have seen whatever I wanted to if I wasn't a good person. I went to my nephews high school football game and there was a whole group of kids picking on a smaller group of kids in front of us and being real assholes and saying wildly inappropriate things evern though there were really young kids nearby. Then there was a group of kids spray painting on the wall behind the shopping center. The important message they felt everyone needed to read....."CUNT"

Nah I'm just playin, girl...come over here and lemme show you this thing I can do to you with my thumb....

OK...I can see this isn't going to work out...I'm not worried about your pleasure...Once I am done I need to go to bed.

I got the weed! I was saving it for my kids end of the year party but we could probably go ahead and smoke a doobie...but I prefer the pull out method. Is that something negotiable?



Damn you people...you are turning me into a troll! I didn't want to start acting like this but you people are maddening!!!!