How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well Mitch McConnell went home to Kentucky and the Senate is the body preventing a vote to reopen the Government so no time soon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/11/politics/mitch-mcconnell-congress-shutdown/index.html

mi hope he thanked the TSA agents, air traffic controllers and DHS workers who kept him safe on his journey home

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anonymous sources say the president is pleased with the shutdown and has no plans to end it even if he were to get $6b for his wall. He thinks all federal employees are Democrats and enjoys sticking it to him.

I really hope this report is fake news. If it's even somewhat accurate, then McConnell had better step up when he gets back in town.

Trump cancelled his Davos trip which wasn’t for 9 days. He’s happy with the shutdown. Russia is probably encouraging him to keep the government closed.

He's happy with the shutdown because he really cannot imagine himself in the place of someone struggling to pay rent and grocery bills. Nor does he care about Americans who would like to see our national treasures, whether natural ones in parks or man-made ones in museums. Nor does he care about those treatures beyond wondering how much they are worth dollarwise.

It's a fact. No one can make a convincing case otherwise. The man has no empathy gene.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is planning for the shutdown to last into February.

Will McConnell let this happen? Unpaid Federal workers have to make $438 million in mortgage and rent payments on February 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is planning for the shutdown to last into February.

Will McConnell let this happen? Unpaid Federal workers have to make $438 million in mortgage and rent payments on February 1.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-federal-workers-mortgage-rent-payments-housing-2019-1

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Not sure how well private contractors would do with airport security during a shutdown. I know before W we had private contractors as airport security. I remember them being low paid foreign nationals.

With the exact same record, and $11 per segment cheaper

[Anonymous]

So the White House didn't pay their water bill. If we miss one or two more paychecks, we won't be able to pay our bills either. I'll tell our lender it was due to the lapse in appropriations. I wonder how that'll go.

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Not sure how well private contractors would do with airport security during a shutdown. I know before W we had private contractors as airport security. I remember them being low paid foreign nationals.

With the exact same record, and $11 per segment cheaper

Letting the 9-11 terrorists through is the same record as the TSA?

[Anonymous]

I can’t find any article saying Trump signed the bill to give federal employees backpay. Has anyone seen anything?

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Not sure how well private contractors would do with airport security during a shutdown. I know before W we had private contractors as airport security. I remember them being low paid foreign nationals.

With the exact same record, and $11 per segment cheaper

Letting the 9-11 terrorists through is the same record as the TSA?

TSA wouldn't have prevented 9/11.

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Not sure how well private contractors would do with airport security during a shutdown. I know before W we had private contractors as airport security. I remember them being low paid foreign nationals.

With the exact same record, and $11 per segment cheaper

Letting the 9-11 terrorists through is the same record as the TSA?

TSA wouldn't have prevented 9/11.

I’d really like to borrow your alternate universe viewing machine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t find any article saying Trump signed the bill to give federal employees backpay. Has anyone seen anything?

House and Senate versions are slightly different so they have to reconcile before they send it to him.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2019/01/house-passes-bill-guaranteeing-ba

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t find any article saying Trump signed the bill to give federal employees backpay. Has anyone seen anything?

House and Senate versions are slightly different so they have to reconcile before they send it to him.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2019/01/house-passes-bill-guaranteeing-ba

Yeah not quite a done deal, but looks promising.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t find any article saying Trump signed the bill to give federal employees backpay. Has anyone seen anything?

House and Senate versions are slightly different so they have to reconcile before they send it to him.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2019/01/house-passes-bill-guaranteeing-ba

Yeah not quite a done deal, but looks promising.

It’s a long shot- but any chance this bill includes contractors?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t find any article saying Trump signed the bill to give federal employees backpay. Has anyone seen anything?

House and Senate versions are slightly different so they have to reconcile before they send it to him.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2019/01/house-passes-bill-guaranteeing-ba

Yeah not quite a done deal, but looks promising.

It’s a long shot- but any chance this bill includes contractors?

Tim Kaine proposed some legislation to include contractors but I don’t think that is anywhere near approval.

[Anonymous]

I can't help but be concern that if this shutdown lasts any longer, there will be an explosion in corruption cases. How many BP agents or Fed prison guards would be tempted to turn a blind eye in exchange for some under the table money? These people still have to pay rent/mortgages and put food on the table, love of a country doesn't provide for any of that.