How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Not sure how well private contractors would do with airport security during a shutdown. I know before W we had private contractors as airport security. I remember them being low paid foreign nationals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

Only traitors want their government to fail. The government is responsible for the smooth functioning of the free market. Look at the disaster in mortgage processing right now - they can’t function without IRS tax verification. This is exactly an element where the government is needed to ensure the free flow of capital and information sharing.

Without the government, society collapse. There is no social trust. Banks stop lending, unless they personally know your credit worthiness. All of this commerce is solely due to the existence of a nominally transparent government that acts a verifier if information and has an independent court system to resolve disputes.

This is why I don’t understand conservatives who hate government. Without government, you can’t have a free market.

[Anonymous]

MASA!
Make America Somalia Again!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

PP here.

You're confusing privatization with the government not acting at all. Hiring private contractors isn't the same as letting the free market operate. As an economic matter, it doesn't matter whether a service is provided by a government employee or by a contractor hired by the government. Obviously the government could hire a private company to provide airport security and clean parks. The relevant question is: if the government didn't act in those spaces, would the free market step in and provide those services without government intervention? And if the free market did pick up some of the slack, would it be efficient?

[Anonymous]

Why don't we have cleaner parks and restrooms? I've never understood why underemployment and public need can't find a happy medium? A lot of the advocacy for housing homeless I think would be received more warmly.by the public subsidising it if there were some public works requirement for those capable who were not in an educational or treatment program. I'm all about a trade and teaching people valuable job skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't we have cleaner parks and restrooms? I've never understood why underemployment and public need can't find a happy medium? A lot of the advocacy for housing homeless I think would be received more warmly.by the public subsidising it if there were some public works requirement for those capable who were not in an educational or treatment program. I'm all about a trade and teaching people valuable job skills.

A lot of homeless people have mental health issues. Many aren’t what you would call “able bodied” (or at least able minded).

[Anonymous]

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Why don't we have cleaner parks and restrooms? I've never understood why underemployment and public need can't find a happy medium? A lot of the advocacy for housing homeless I think would be received more warmly.by the public subsidising it if there were some public works requirement for those capable who were not in an educational or treatment program. I'm all about a trade and teaching people valuable job skills.


A lot of homeless people have mental health issues. Many aren’t what you would call “able bodied” (or at least able minded).

+1 There is a certain segment of the population that is ill, mentally and/or physically. If you have ever worked with this population you would understand.

[Anonymous]

Well Mitch McConnell went home to Kentucky and the Senate is the body preventing a vote to reopen the Government so no time soon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/11/politics/mitch-mcconnell-congress-shutdown/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

Not exactly. Surely the free market could provide nongovt services such as park clean up, no? Surely the government is not the only entity that could provide airport security, right? It’s just that government has chosen to operate in these areas. I would oppose privatizing anything that government is currently doing. But we need to be a bit more precise here.

Even if you hire a private contractor to kep federal property clean, that contractor cannot operate during a shutdown. So should the federal government simply not own property? How should interstate functions like air traffic, food inspections and TSA work?

I'll wait here for a legitimate response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't we have cleaner parks and restrooms? I've never understood why underemployment and public need can't find a happy medium? A lot of the advocacy for housing homeless I think would be received more warmly.by the public subsidising it if there were some public works requirement for those capable who were not in an educational or treatment program. I'm all about a trade and teaching people valuable job skills.

Or, our society could not evolve to be so slovenly and lacking in pride as to leave garbage everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous sources say the president is pleased with the shutdown and has no plans to end it even if he were to get $6b for his wall. He thinks all federal employees are Democrats and enjoys sticking it to him.

I really hope this report is fake news. If it's even somewhat accurate, then McConnell had better step up when he gets back in town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous sources say the president is pleased with the shutdown and has no plans to end it even if he were to get $6b for his wall. He thinks all federal employees are Democrats and enjoys sticking it to him.

I really hope this report is fake news. If it's even somewhat accurate, then McConnell had better step up when he gets back in town.

Trump cancelled his Davos trip which wasn’t for 9 days. He’s happy with the shutdown. Russia is probably encouraging him to keep the government closed.

[Anonymous]

Trump is planning for the shutdown to last into February.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't we have cleaner parks and restrooms? I've never understood why underemployment and public need can't find a happy medium? A lot of the advocacy for housing homeless I think would be received more warmly.by the public subsidising it if there were some public works requirement for those capable who were not in an educational or treatment program. I'm all about a trade and teaching people valuable job skills.

Or, our society could not evolve to be so slovenly and lacking in pride as to leave garbage everywhere.

How do you get that to happen? By magical thinking?