How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

Yes, yes, but the point is, 800,000 is just not enough to tank our economy, even with trickle down. I think the media and of course federal works thought and hoped there would be a larger impact, but three weeks out we see that there is not. The fact that our stock market is up day after day in January proves that Wall Street is not concerned, and the President has clarified that there will be no impact on tax refunds. So while there is pain and suffering out there, it’s very much localized. The DC real estate market, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and I do think we will see some effects there even once this is over, as federal workers realize just how vulnerable they are and hopefully take a more cautious approach going forward. At least there is plenty of discussion of emergency funds and related issues in the money forum.

Now that the first paycheck has been denied to fed workers, I wonder how much you will start to see it affecting the overall economy? People can't pay Xmas debts, rents won't be paid, etc. In addition, things take time to shake out. For example, the USDA isn't doing food inspections. You don't necessarily have problems for a couple weeks while the food makes it way through the chain to the consumer.

Most people’s rent and utilities and mortgages are due by the first of the month. So everyone already had to pay for January. I don’t think you see that sort of impact until February’s rent/mortgage/etc. are due toward the end of January. Sure, some people aren’t going to pay their credit card bills from holiday spending, but who does that directly impact other than the debtor himself? The credit cards prefer when you don’t pay so they can start charging interest and penalties.

Washington Gas isn't expecting to get paid by feds. Do you think the poor have that kind of deal? Nope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

Go ahead and try the romaine, Ayn - it’s delicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

Yes, yes, but the point is, 800,000 is just not enough to tank our economy, even with trickle down. I think the media and of course federal works thought and hoped there would be a larger impact, but three weeks out we see that there is not. The fact that our stock market is up day after day in January proves that Wall Street is not concerned, and the President has clarified that there will be no impact on tax refunds. So while there is pain and suffering out there, it’s very much localized. The DC real estate market, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and I do think we will see some effects there even once this is over, as federal workers realize just how vulnerable they are and hopefully take a more cautious approach going forward. At least there is plenty of discussion of emergency funds and related issues in the money forum.

Now that the first paycheck has been denied to fed workers, I wonder how much you will start to see it affecting the overall economy? People can't pay Xmas debts, rents won't be paid, etc. In addition, things take time to shake out. For example, the USDA isn't doing food inspections. You don't necessarily have problems for a couple weeks while the food makes it way through the chain to the consumer.

Most people’s rent and utilities and mortgages are due by the first of the month. So everyone already had to pay for January. I don’t think you see that sort of impact until February’s rent/mortgage/etc. are due toward the end of January. Sure, some people aren’t going to pay their credit card bills from holiday spending, but who does that directly impact other than the debtor himself? The credit cards prefer when you don’t pay so they can start charging interest and penalties.

I don't think you understand what "paycheck-to-paycheck" means.

Yes, I do. Thus, with the paycheck everyone got on December 28, they paid their rent/mortgage and whatever else they spend that paycheck on. With the paycheck that was supposed to arrive today they would have paid other bills, gone grocery shopping, whatever they typically do with that paycheck. So those bills and whatever else aren’t happening. But I don’t think you will see rents unpaid until February rents are due, again, minimizing the fallout to others who aren’t directly involved with the government until that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

Go ahead and try the romaine, Ayn - it’s delicious.

Now, you I love. Exactly. And I hope all the vicious objectivists see yours as great advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a complicit media to say "manufactured" crisis on the border, there sure is a lot of "manufactured" concern from the left who refuses to negotiate with the executive branch and Senate.

They had a deal 11 months ago, he reneged. Then pence tried to make a deal, he undercut it. Senate Republicans tried to come up with something, we haven't heard a thing. Pelosi and Schumer went to talk to him, he walked out and called them names afterward.

His "deal" seems to be, "give me exactly what I want or I'll shoot the hostages and take the blame for it." ( remember when he said he would take the blame for a shutdown?) That's not a deal, it's a murder-suicide. I'd say we really need an FBI hostage negotiator, but they are probably non-essential employees.

[Anonymous]

Didn't he say Mexico was going to pay? Where is the money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't he say Mexico was going to pay? Where is the money?

No he never said that.*

* All Trump statements expire 30 minutes after utterance, or until a contradictory statement is made, whichever comes first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't he say Mexico was going to pay? Where is the money?

That's the promise he made. He needs to live with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

If shutting down the government is a "disaster" it means only one thing: the government is TOO BIG. Shutting it down should not cause a catastrophe.

That's idiotic. Proponents of small government believe that the government should only perform essential functions that the free market can't provide/perform. If the shutdown is a disaster, it means that the government is doing just that - performing essential functions that the free market can't provide.

[Anonymous]

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the man who penned "art of the deal"

Oh, sweetie - he didn’t write that.

Oh, sweetie - shadow writers have long penned books for both sides of the aisle.

And in the fwiw category, the nuns used to hit my knuckles with a ruler when I finished a sentence with a preposition.

DP

Obviously the lessons didn't stick. Show us one dictionary entry which categorizes "that' as a preposition.

(It isn't.)

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
the man who penned "art of the deal"

Oh, sweetie - he didn’t write that.


Oh, sweetie - shadow writers have long penned books for both sides of the aisle.

And in the fwiw category, the nuns used to hit my knuckles with a ruler when I finished a sentence with a preposition.




DP

Obviously the lessons didn't stick. Show us one dictionary entry which categorizes "that' as a preposition.

(It isn't.)

The word "that" is properly used as a direct object demonstrative pronoun in the sentence. The demonstrative pronouns are this, that, these, and those.

You're welcome.

Signed,

An English teacher who is also bilingual

[Anonymous]

Hey OP, how long will it last? Who knows but it’s now the longest shutdown in history. A bunch of news sites had the articles written and were waiting for midnight to publish.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/12/683304824/the-longest-government-shutdown-in-history-no-longer-how-1995-changed-everything

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/12/government-shutdown-standoff-now-longest-ever-when-end/2546949002/

http://time.com/5499397/shutdown-longest-history/

Plenty more too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For a complicit media to say "manufactured" crisis on the border, there sure is a lot of "manufactured" concern from the left who refuses to negotiate with the executive branch and Senate.

They had a deal 11 months ago, he reneged. Then pence tried to make a deal, he undercut it. Senate Republicans tried to come up with something, we haven't heard a thing. Pelosi and Schumer went to talk to him, he walked out and called them names afterward.

His "deal" seems to be, "give me exactly what I want or I'll shoot the hostages and take the blame for it." ( remember when he said he would take the blame for a shutdown?) That's not a deal, it's a murder-suicide. I'd say we really need an FBI hostage negotiator, but they are probably non-essential employees.

A deal without 60 votes in the Senate for cloture isn't a deal. Twist all you want however until you get cloture, you have nothing.