How long will the shutdown last?

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Anonymous wrote:This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.

Please indicate where he is willing to negotiate. TIA!

He has said he is willing to negotiate many times ($2.5 billion instead of $5 billion, Steel slats, willing to open the govt and get the wall funding in 30 days). Nancy said no, no, no. This will help her base, but not flyover country who is more moderate.

None of this is true. You are an idiot. He had the house two weeks ago. Why didn't the bill get passed then?

He had the House for TWO whole years. Why didn't he get this done then?

The house did pass the $5.7 billion for the wall. It stalled in the senate because you need 60 votes. Paul Ryan had a couple of hundreds bills currently sitting in the senate.

And Trump could have vetoed the tax cuts if they didn’t include wall funding. That would have got the funding through reconciliation. There are ways to get things done. Trump is incompetent.

Not sure if congress can do funding bills with reconciliation. Mitch rightly doesn't want to change the filibuster rules. So here we are ...

The only way out is some kind of DACA/Dreamer compromise for wall. Everybody keeps talking about the $25 billion for DACA. Why not bring that out to the open and negotiate?

Pence has nixed DACA-for-wall. Nonstarter.

You have not paid any attention. Jared Kushner is talking to lawmakers about Dreamer/DACA for the wall. Senators should learn by now Kushner is more reliable than Pence. Supposedly Mitch passed the bill without wall money at the suggestion of Pence.

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Anonymous wrote:This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.

Please indicate where he is willing to negotiate. TIA!

He has said he is willing to negotiate many times ($2.5 billion instead of $5 billion, Steel slats, willing to open the govt and get the wall funding in 30 days). Nancy said no, no, no. This will help her base, but not flyover country who is more moderate.

None of this is true. You are an idiot. He had the house two weeks ago. Why didn't the bill get passed then?

See my above post about attacking the messenger.

Fun Fact: You need 60 votes in the Senate (only 52 GOP Senators two weeks ago) to approve closure of an Appropriations Bill.

The appropriations bill passed the Senate something like 96-0. The House never put the bill for a vote, because it would have passed. So this one is on the Republicans.

The Senate Bill didn't have the border security in it. The House did pass it with border funding but the Senate couldn't get the 60 votes before Christmas. Your alternative facts are months earlier.

Yes, the Senate bill passed when Trump suggested he would sign without the border funding, but the House did not vote on it because Trump changed his mind before they could. And you wonder why the Democrats don't trust Trump?

The only thing Trump said is "we'll see" when it comes to the budget. He never "suggested" he would sign and those in left complain that he changes his mind in his speech, but doesn't. When he uses words like "we'll see" and "maybe" it means exactly that yet the left and media report otherwise.

The entire Senate, Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh knew exactly what he meant and acted accordingly. Your the only who is trying argue after the fact that he meant something different.

Not really arguing anything other than the man who penned "art of the deal" needs the other side to negotiate. Keep the Government shut until the other side (Democrats) are willing to negotiate. Just watched on C-Span the house floor debate between Hoyer and Scalise. Scalise asked Hoyer to keep the House open this weekend, yet once again they adjourned until Monday, just like last weekend and the week Nancy and her family spent in Hawaii.

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking: The National Air Traffic Controllers union is filing suit against the Trump administration over the partial federal government shutdown, @tomcostellonbc reports

LOL, good luck with that. Force the President to sign a spending bill? That’s not how it works.

Good luck keeping the shutdown going with no airline traffic.

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the man who penned "art of the deal"

Oh, sweetie - he didn’t write that.

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking: The National Air Traffic Controllers union is filing suit against the Trump administration over the partial federal government shutdown, @tomcostellonbc reports

LOL, good luck with that. Force the President to sign a spending bill? That’s not how it works.

Good luck keeping the shutdown going with no airline traffic.

I wonder how far Trump will go. How big of a temper tantrum is he willing to throw? Congress better go around him soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking: The National Air Traffic Controllers union is filing suit against the Trump administration over the partial federal government shutdown, @tomcostellonbc reports

LOL, good luck with that. Force the President to sign a spending bill? That’s not how it works.

Good luck keeping the shutdown going with no airline traffic.

They will keep working or they will be fired, just like Reagan did. There will be no impact to air travel. January and February are extremely slow travel months anyway, most airlines use this time to do heavy maintenance on their planes. Their threats are hollow.

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the man who penned "art of the deal"

Oh, sweetie - he didn’t write that.

Oh, sweetie - shadow writers have long penned books for both sides of the aisle.

And in the fwiw category, the nuns used to hit my knuckles with a ruler when I finished a sentence with a preposition.

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the man who penned "art of the deal"

Oh, sweetie - he didn’t write that.

Oh, sweetie - shadow writers have long penned books for both sides of the aisle.

And in the fwiw category, the nuns used to hit my knuckles with a ruler when I finished a sentence with a preposition.

So you concede my point, and then posit that “that” is functioning as a preposition in that sentence? Great reply. Top notch.

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Anonymous wrote:This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.

Please indicate where he is willing to negotiate. TIA!

He has said he is willing to negotiate many times ($2.5 billion instead of $5 billion, Steel slats, willing to open the govt and get the wall funding in 30 days). Nancy said no, no, no. This will help her base, but not flyover country who is more moderate.

None of this is true. You are an idiot. He had the house two weeks ago. Why didn't the bill get passed then?

He had the House for TWO whole years. Why didn't he get this done then?

The house did pass the $5.7 billion for the wall. It stalled in the senate because you need 60 votes. Paul Ryan had a couple of hundreds bills currently sitting in the senate.

The House passed it on Dec. 20, 2018, in a lame-duck session after two years of unified Republican control. They didn't wait to pass the tax cuts or try to sabotage health care. If no wall is such an emergency why wait until the last possible minute to vote for it? Because most Republicans in Congress do not care about the wall and are not willing to trade anything to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.

Please indicate where he is willing to negotiate. TIA!

He has said he is willing to negotiate many times ($2.5 billion instead of $5 billion, Steel slats, willing to open the govt and get the wall funding in 30 days). Nancy said no, no, no. This will help her base, but not flyover country who is more moderate.

None of this is true. You are an idiot. He had the house two weeks ago. Why didn't the bill get passed then?

See my above post about attacking the messenger.

Fun Fact: You need 60 votes in the Senate (only 52 GOP Senators two weeks ago) to approve closure of an Appropriations Bill.

The appropriations bill passed the Senate something like 96-0. The House never put the bill for a vote, because it would have passed. So this one is on the Republicans.

The Senate Bill didn't have the border security in it. The House did pass it with border funding but the Senate couldn't get the 60 votes before Christmas. Your alternative facts are months earlier.

Yes, the Senate bill passed when Trump suggested he would sign without the border funding, but the House did not vote on it because Trump changed his mind before they could. And you wonder why the Democrats don't trust Trump?

The only thing Trump said is "we'll see" when it comes to the budget. He never "suggested" he would sign and those in left complain that he changes his mind in his speech, but doesn't. When he uses words like "we'll see" and "maybe" it means exactly that yet the left and media report otherwise.

The entire Senate, Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh knew exactly what he meant and acted accordingly. Your the only who is trying argue after the fact that he meant something different.

Not really arguing anything other than the man who penned "art of the deal" needs the other side to negotiate. Keep the Government shut until the other side (Democrats) are willing to negotiate. Just watched on C-Span the house floor debate between Hoyer and Scalise. Scalise asked Hoyer to keep the House open this weekend, yet once again they adjourned until Monday, just like last weekend and the week Nancy and her family spent in Hawaii.

The man who penned the art of the deal says Trump didn't write it. And negotiation involves an exchange. If he wants the wall, he has to give the Democrats something they want in return. He actually did that back in February, but the reneged. He had reneged on deals many times in his career. But that was always after he got what he wanted and didn't need his partners anymore because he already moved on to his next sucker. This time, he reneged before he got what he wanted and he can't change partners. Which is why we are stuck here today. There's an obvious solution but he won't take it because he doesn't want to give anything up in exchange for the wall. He'd rather force it than make a deal, and that's exactly what he is saying right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

Yes, yes, but the point is, 800,000 is just not enough to tank our economy, even with trickle down. I think the media and of course federal works thought and hoped there would be a larger impact, but three weeks out we see that there is not. The fact that our stock market is up day after day in January proves that Wall Street is not concerned, and the President has clarified that there will be no impact on tax refunds. So while there is pain and suffering out there, it’s very much localized. The DC real estate market, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and I do think we will see some effects there even once this is over, as federal workers realize just how vulnerable they are and hopefully take a more cautious approach going forward. At least there is plenty of discussion of emergency funds and related issues in the money forum.

Now that the first paycheck has been denied to fed workers, I wonder how much you will start to see it affecting the overall economy? People can't pay Xmas debts, rents won't be paid, etc. In addition, things take time to shake out. For example, the USDA isn't doing food inspections. You don't necessarily have problems for a couple weeks while the food makes it way through the chain to the consumer.

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Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

Yes, yes, but the point is, 800,000 is just not enough to tank our economy, even with trickle down. I think the media and of course federal works thought and hoped there would be a larger impact, but three weeks out we see that there is not. The fact that our stock market is up day after day in January proves that Wall Street is not concerned, and the President has clarified that there will be no impact on tax refunds. So while there is pain and suffering out there, it’s very much localized. The DC real estate market, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and I do think we will see some effects there even once this is over, as federal workers realize just how vulnerable they are and hopefully take a more cautious approach going forward. At least there is plenty of discussion of emergency funds and related issues in the money forum.

Now that the first paycheck has been denied to fed workers, I wonder how much you will start to see it affecting the overall economy? People can't pay Xmas debts, rents won't be paid, etc. In addition, things take time to shake out. For example, the USDA isn't doing food inspections. You don't necessarily have problems for a couple weeks while the food makes it way through the chain to the consumer.

Most people’s rent and utilities and mortgages are due by the first of the month. So everyone already had to pay for January. I don’t think you see that sort of impact until February’s rent/mortgage/etc. are due toward the end of January. Sure, some people aren’t going to pay their credit card bills from holiday spending, but who does that directly impact other than the debtor himself? The credit cards prefer when you don’t pay so they can start charging interest and penalties.

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Anonymous wrote:This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.

Please indicate where he is willing to negotiate. TIA!

He has said he is willing to negotiate many times ($2.5 billion instead of $5 billion, Steel slats, willing to open the govt and get the wall funding in 30 days). Nancy said no, no, no. This will help her base, but not flyover country who is more moderate.

None of this is true. You are an idiot. He had the house two weeks ago. Why didn't the bill get passed then?

He had the House for TWO whole years. Why didn't he get this done then?

The house did pass the $5.7 billion for the wall. It stalled in the senate because you need 60 votes. Paul Ryan had a couple of hundreds bills currently sitting in the senate.

And Trump could have vetoed the tax cuts if they didn’t include wall funding. That would have got the funding through reconciliation. There are ways to get things done. Trump is incompetent.

Not sure if congress can do funding bills with reconciliation. Mitch rightly doesn't want to change the filibuster rules. So here we are ...

The only way out is some kind of DACA/Dreamer compromise for wall. Everybody keeps talking about the $25 billion for DACA. Why not bring that out to the open and negotiate?

Pence has nixed DACA-for-wall. Nonstarter.

You have not paid any attention. Jared Kushner is talking to lawmakers about Dreamer/DACA for the wall. Senators should learn by now Kushner is more reliable than Pence. Supposedly Mitch passed the bill without wall money at the suggestion of Pence.

Kushner isn't reliable about anything. He's had 2 years to "solve peace in the Middle East" and only succeeded in inflaming the tensions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even the media is now bored with this story. First missed paycheck, and very little reporting. All the coverage is now about the kidnapped girl in Wisconsin and winter weather, and the markets have had their best January start in years. Looks like there is very little pressure for this to end anytime soon.

The shutdown is obviously not going to end today.

The media has tried, with reports of FAA not inspecting planes, HUD evicting poor people, FDA not inspecting food, Joshua Trees being cut down, missed paychecks, sad federal employees and contractors. So far it hasn't worked.

They'll try again over the weekend and next week. What even more dire, hitherto unimagined, catastrophes will strike?

The truth is, for most ordinary Americans and those outside the DMV, there is very little impact or sense of urgency. Of course there are federal workers in other places, like the TSA, et cetera, but most Americans have little daily interaction with those folks. Ending the shutdown has proven not to be a political necessity for either party, and the longer it drags on, the harder it will be for either party to concede defeat and end it. What a mess.

What are you talking about? This is trickle down. If someone can't make rent, that effects landlords.
Can't afford go dinners - local restaurants
Childcare providers, kids extra circularize activities...
Long term this is a disaster for our economy. Just more mess for the Democrats to clean up once Trump leaves.

Yes, yes, but the point is, 800,000 is just not enough to tank our economy, even with trickle down. I think the media and of course federal works thought and hoped there would be a larger impact, but three weeks out we see that there is not. The fact that our stock market is up day after day in January proves that Wall Street is not concerned, and the President has clarified that there will be no impact on tax refunds. So while there is pain and suffering out there, it’s very much localized. The DC real estate market, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and I do think we will see some effects there even once this is over, as federal workers realize just how vulnerable they are and hopefully take a more cautious approach going forward. At least there is plenty of discussion of emergency funds and related issues in the money forum.

Now that the first paycheck has been denied to fed workers, I wonder how much you will start to see it affecting the overall economy? People can't pay Xmas debts, rents won't be paid, etc. In addition, things take time to shake out. For example, the USDA isn't doing food inspections. You don't necessarily have problems for a couple weeks while the food makes it way through the chain to the consumer.

Most people’s rent and utilities and mortgages are due by the first of the month. So everyone already had to pay for January. I don’t think you see that sort of impact until February’s rent/mortgage/etc. are due toward the end of January. Sure, some people aren’t going to pay their credit card bills from holiday spending, but who does that directly impact other than the debtor himself? The credit cards prefer when you don’t pay so they can start charging interest and penalties.

I don't think you understand what "paycheck-to-paycheck" means.

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For a complicit media to say "manufactured" crisis on the border, there sure is a lot of "manufactured" concern from the left who refuses to negotiate with the executive branch and Senate.