Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His lawyers are the only winners here. Publicity, and the ability to bill tons of hours …

You can thank Alvin Bragg for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His lawyers are the only winners here. Publicity, and the ability to bill tons of hours …

Oh the DA will score some publicity points too, which is all they really care about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

[Anonymous]

People like Neely have no business being out in public. Those who allowed it are responsible for his death. I wonder if its possible to sue the city or its certain services

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

Isn’t that the whole reason to kill someone who is attacking you? That you’re scared for your life?
I’d do it in a heartbeat with no remorse if someone was attacking me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

Isn’t that the whole reason to kill someone who is attacking you? That you’re scared for your life?
I’d do it in a heartbeat with no remorse if someone was attacking me.

According to the experts here, you can't use lethal force unless the attacker is just about to deal a fatal blow. That means you wait until you see his trigger finger move, and then you shoot the gun out of his hand. Simple really.

[Anonymous]

Criminal killed by Hero

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People like Neely have no business being out in public. Those who allowed it are responsible for his death. I wonder if its possible to sue the city or its certain services

Couldn't it be argued that the victim had no business "being out in public" because he was harassing and threatening subway riders and he had 40 prior arrests for his actions on the subway including multiple assaults ?

The failures of the criminal justice system and the failures of the mental health system placed too many people in jeopardy--including the victim.

No, it was not a justified killing unless one or more riders reasonably feared for his/her/their life.

If the former US Marine is convicted, the situation can be addressed by the sentence which should be minimal in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People like Neely have no business being out in public. Those who allowed it are responsible for his death. I wonder if its possible to sue the city or its certain services

Couldn't it be argued that the victim had no business "being out in public" because he was harassing and threatening subway riders and he had 40 prior arrests for his actions on the subway including multiple assaults ?

The failures of the criminal justice system and the failures of the mental health system placed too many people in jeopardy--including the victim.

No, it was not a justified killing unless one or more riders reasonably feared for his/her/their life.

If the former US Marine is convicted, the situation can be addressed by the sentence which should be minimal in my opinion.

Riders on the bus have stated they were fearful.
I doubt he will be convicted. If even one of the jurors is a subway rider and knows the dangers riders confront, there will be no conviction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

People are allowed to defend themselves when attacked. Someday you'll learn that life is fleeting easy to extinguish, and those of us going about our business are tired of being bullied and hurt by people like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

People are allowed to defend themselves when attacked. Someday you'll learn that life is fleeting easy to extinguish, and those of us going about our business are tired of being bullied and hurt by people like you.

Uh, there is nothing to indicate that PP is violent. You, on the other hand, seem to have a hair-trigger impulse towards it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

People are allowed to defend themselves when attacked. Someday you'll learn that life is fleeting easy to extinguish, and those of us going about our business are tired of being bullied and hurt by people like you.

Uh, there is nothing to indicate that PP is violent. You, on the other hand, seem to have a hair-trigger impulse towards it.

Justice does not need to be violent. You, on the other hand, are excusing any violence short of murder, which is despicable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But he didn't kill you did he? And if you had a weapon you would most likely have killed a man for no reason other than that you were scared.

People are allowed to defend themselves when attacked. Someday you'll learn that life is fleeting easy to extinguish, and those of us going about our business are tired of being bullied and hurt by people like you.

I'm not that poster, but I don't think you have to wait until you think you are about to die before you begin the defending yourself process. In that scenario, if I had a weapon and the homeless person spit on me, my next move would be to make sure he knew I had a weapon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Daniel Penny's defense fund is now up to $ 2,284,047.

Good. He has excellent legal counsel.

Excellent legal counsel wouldn’t be suggesting he give interviews like this.

[Anonymous]

It is absurd that you try to help fellow passengers on the subway and end up facing manslaughter charges because some lunatic who’d been scraping by on the edge for years finally tapped out.