Is there any way that Trump could retain power? And, also, why are people still backing him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

Could someone address this please?

They talked about this on NYT Daily podcast. It’s a real possible outcome for Trump continuing.

How does this get to a tie? Which specific states do you think are likely to flip that would result in an electoral college tie?

Otherwise, if we’re going to spin out any lunatic theory, I’m going to assert its all irrelevant because martians could arrive tomorrow and take over the whole planet.

[Anonymous]

At this point the Republicans do not view Trump as politically dead. They won’t cross him now because they want his base to remain intact. There is already a lot of talk about Trump 2024. This man will hold his iron grip on the party for a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

People who tweet this have no clue how complex a Presidential transition is. Right now, Biden can't receive the daily briefing, key leaders are quitting or being fired, and the country cannot move on. DT is deliberately sabotaging the success of the nation as it moves on. He's throwing a tantrum with massive consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

Nope. You are correct. Trump will flip this election through the courts.

PP here. How does he go through the courts? There’s no evidence of fraud and judges are dismissing Trump claims. It’s seems like the GOP knows this and are gaming to seize power by not relinquishing it. Who would stop them? The democratic process only works of leaders preserve it - all leaders, including the GOP.

Ummm...please don’t fall for this treasonous sh*thead saying Trump will flip the election. This is person is profoundly wrong...do not ask morons questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Can you provide more information about the electors? I haven’t seen any articles on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Jared? Is that you?

Dream on you F**ker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

Could someone address this please?

They talked about this on NYT Daily podcast. It’s a real possible outcome for Trump continuing.

How does this get to a tie? Which specific states do you think are likely to flip that would result in an electoral college tie?

Otherwise, if we’re going to spin out any lunatic theory, I’m going to assert its all irrelevant because martians could arrive tomorrow and take over the whole planet.

Whatever this link was referencing has been removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Nice fan fiction.

[Anonymous]

This was written in September, and it seems like it could now be playing out in front of us:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-could-stay-in-power-even-if-he-doesnt-win-the-election-the-constitution-allows-it/2020/09/24/d9371bb0-fe97-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Can you provide more information about the electors? I haven’t seen any articles on this.

Google. https://www.fox6now.com/news/2020-election-could-the-electoral-college-switch-for-trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Can you provide more information about the electors? I haven’t seen any articles on this.

Google. https://www.fox6now.com/news/2020-election-could-the-electoral-college-switch-for-trump

If you google a little bit more, you'll see that this is not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Omg stop with the faithless electors thing. It’s not happening. Never has. People floated it when trump one too but they elected him. In Pennsylvania the person who wins the popular vote gets the electors. In other states, they’re not going to flip. You’re all ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I say let them examine every software system, ballot, every registered voter roll. Trying to avoid that makes us look guilty. If they find fraud so be it. If not then great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, he lost. Only a few crazies in his inner circle are jumping to his aid. Even FOX is dropping hints that concession is inevitable. I think everyone is on to the next thing. Yes, it does damage that he’s holding on like this. But it’s a fine line between damaging Biden’s legitimacy and damaging his own influence. There is a large contingent of Trump voters who probably just want him to step aside. The big force protecting us is apathy. People simply don’t care this much about politics. His craziness is offputting. Sore loser written all over it.

It's not a few crazies in his inner circle. Lindsay Graham, Ted Cruz, and all of Fox outside of the News division are not a "few crazies." Maybe to you, but not to the people that listen to Fox, which is the most popular television network in this country.

I related this yesterday, but while driving I landed on WMAL - DC's right wing talk radio. I decided to listen to hear "the other side." Well, the other side was a caller named Doug, who was asking the host what happens when people who think like him, people who think they aren't listened to or acknowledged, who are sick and tired of being sick and tired, tired of being railroaded by the left, take up arms to protect their communities against rioters and lawlessness. I expected the host to raise some objection to this line of thought. He didn't. He validated Doug's feelings for maybe a minute or minute in a half, trashed anyone who didn't "think like them" as enemies trying to destroy this country and then half-heartedly said he hoped what Doug was talking about never happened. It was shocking.

Trump will go, but if anyone thinks we are done with Trump or Trumpism you are lying to yourself. The next four years will be as brutal as the last.