Is there any way that Trump could retain power? And, also, why are people still backing him?

[Anonymous]

Meh. Folks, we had an election. Just because you want to tantrum it does not change the rules. Sorry but the will of the people has spoken. If 100% of Dems and even 30% of Reps believe the results are kosher then you can roll up on the Four Seasons Landscaping all you want but your next job is going to be mowing lawns.

As dor all this BS legal stuff, it’s not going to hold up in court. Votes are not tallied up on the back of a napkin. There is a bipartisan process of validation before a machine counts. Maybe a recount or whatever will net you a few hundred votes due to human error. The margins are too large to litigate away.

[Anonymous]

Also, he lost. Only a few crazies in his inner circle are jumping to his aid. Even FOX is dropping hints that concession is inevitable. I think everyone is on to the next thing. Yes, it does damage that he’s holding on like this. But it’s a fine line between damaging Biden’s legitimacy and damaging his own influence. There is a large contingent of Trump voters who probably just want him to step aside. The big force protecting us is apathy. People simply don’t care this much about politics. His craziness is offputting. Sore loser written all over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

Could someone address this please?

[Anonymous]

10 state attorney generals filed amicus briefs in support of Trumps PA lawsuit, and his donor list for the litigation includes the CEOs of Home Depot, Schwab, Marvel, and TD Ameritrade. McConnell won’t say boo to him and Barr is investigating. I fear that this garbage has gone mainstream and I’m watching our democracy unravel thread by thread.

[Anonymous]

He will retain power with his base, and will never accept the idea that he lost the election. How that actually plays out, I have no idea. I don't even want to think about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He will retain power with his base, and will never accept the idea that he lost the election. How that actually plays out, I have no idea. I don't even want to think about it.

His base is almost half the country!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He will retain power with his base, and will never accept the idea that he lost the election. How that actually plays out, I have no idea. I don't even want to think about it.

His base is almost half the country!

Some of these people are just die hard Republicans, not all of these folks are rabid Trumpers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

If enough states do not certify their results by 12/8, the states get 1 viote each.. Biden will lose. Isn't this possible?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

If enough states do not certify their results by 12/8, the states get 1 viote each.. Biden will lose. Isn't this possible?

All of the states will certify by then.

[Anonymous]

Trump will be to busy defending against a myriad of lawsuits waiting for him as well as the inevitable prosecution by Cy Vance. The GOP folks will back away quietly so they don't upset his base who have the potential for sinking the Republican party for good if they break off. McConnel et al don't believe any if this but their power will slip away if they don't appease tge Trumpers.

If GA turns blue permanently and then Texas they are done and they know it. Then maybe we can move to a popular vote system and put a stop to the outsized influence of certain states. There would be no uncertainty or litigation anymore. Biden win by over 4 million votes, in any other race or in any other country this would be over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He will retain power with his base, and will never accept the idea that he lost the election. How that actually plays out, I have no idea. I don't even want to think about it.

His base is almost half the country!

Actually, there are 331,000,000 Americans
71,000,000 people voted for Trump

Less than 1/4 of the population voted for him

[Anonymous]

No he cannot.
This is a distraction for his ego.
Republicans want to retain power and keep their voters riled up for the Georgia special election
People who support his folly literally do not understand how things like the Supreme Court and voter fraud work. This all sounds plausible to them because they truly are ignorant so anything is believable.
His presidency is over. As of January 20 he will never set foot in the White House again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

If enough states do not certify their results by 12/8, the states get 1 viote each.. Biden will lose. Isn't this possible?

All of the states will certify by then.

How can you be sure? Republican governor says Trump is contesting. We are investigating. We can not yet certify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

If enough states do not certify their results by 12/8, the states get 1 viote each.. Biden will lose. Isn't this possible?

All of the states will certify by then.

How can you be sure? Republican governor says Trump is contesting. We are investigating. We can not yet certify.

That’s a right-wing boogeyman. Do you believe there are monsters under your bed too, or do they live in the closet?

[Anonymous]

The administrator of GSA is Refusing to release transition team funds to Biden. This is getting some attention online. Do you think it is significant