Is there any way that Trump could retain power? And, also, why are people still backing him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course he can retain power. He can simply refuse to exit, and 98% of his appointees will never openly take him on. The Democratic Party is busy appealing for “unity” and “reconciliation,” which is not the way we defeated Hitler. DOJ’s top election lawyer just quit after being illegally ordered to falsely prosecute pretend election crimes. In January 20, Trump will be inaugurated as President again, and he will immediately announce an indefinite term of office to address his made-up national security emergencies. It’s all done already.

No. He will not be President at noon on January 20. The likelihood of the GOP managing to change 37 electoral votes is really, really tiny.

Do you have a link to the bolded?

Per request, external link, one of many hundreds: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/william-barr-voting-irregularities/index.html

[Anonymous]

It’s time for the House to start taking action. Refuse to fund literally any single government obligation unless and until Trump and all the f**king shitf*Ck republicans stop this nonsense.

Y’all want to take it to the brink? Let’s go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

I'm not a Pelosi Fan and the only reason I like her sometimes is because the devil incarnate Mcconnell is there, and someone nerds to counter him. She also knows how to push Trump's buttons. Part of me wants the situation above to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

[Anonymous]

I think they’re playing all angles right now. Hoping something will work and unsure just how far they will go. Replacing Esper got my attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course he can retain power. He can simply refuse to exit, and 98% of his appointees will never openly take him on. The Democratic Party is busy appealing for “unity” and “reconciliation,” which is not the way we defeated Hitler. DOJ’s top election lawyer just quit after being illegally ordered to falsely prosecute pretend election crimes. In January 20, Trump will be inaugurated as President again, and he will immediately announce an indefinite term of office to address his made-up national security emergencies. It’s all done already.

No. He will not be President at noon on January 20. The likelihood of the GOP managing to change 37 electoral votes is really, really tiny.

Do you have a link to the bolded?

Per request, external link, one of many hundreds: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/william-barr-voting-irregularities/index.html

Does that article say that Pilger had been illegally ordered to falsely prosecute pretend...

That's a very loaded summary you give. Doesn't seem accurate.

Barr is a nightmare, but this is likely to go nowhere.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-shts-on-barrs-bogus-voter-fraud-crusade?fbclid=IwAR1w4PMaDNBHHAGhbsFmVu5jM6tv4a_t0RRmit0s3gWLbFruKt9ydSvacug

[Anonymous]

Don't forget, the CR runs out in four weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

No, it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget, the CR runs out in four weeks.

No chance Trump cares about that. He’s going to be pouting into his chocolate cake. No chance he’s interested in keeping the government running. The man only cares about himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they’re playing all angles right now. Hoping something will work and unsure just how far they will go. Replacing Esper got my attention.

I didn't even think about this. Holy carp.

[Anonymous]

To think, this exaggerated and dramatic GOP response of treason is in response to the color of a person’s skin in authority. That is the shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

This. Then if he has not conceded and either the litigation continues or we have a tie in the Electoral College, i believe will we have what’s known as a contingent election. Apparently this has a few types, two of which are discussed here. If you’re really into it, I’m sure there are some more detailed academic articles and you could always read the Constitution.

If the litigation remains pending, then I believe Pelosi (or her successor) becomes President temporarily. By contrast, if we have a tie in the Electoral College, then I think Democrats have a problem because the House votes for President, with each state’s delegation getting one vote. Republicans control more state delegations than Democrats, so they’d have more votes and would protege this Trump. But don’t take my word for certain because I’m just beginning to read up on this myself.

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

I’m pretty upset about the shat Trump is doing but this right here is why I believe McConnell and others are eventually going to walk Trump out. Let’s be clear, if Trump tries to steal the election, we will see multiple slates of electors for the same states. If Trump tries to steal electors, the electors will stop being counted. They’re done by state in alphabetic order. AZ is the third state to be counted. If the count stops there then we would have a President Pelosi. Trump CANNOT take power in a second term without Pelosi allowing it. This has never been an issue before because the loser has always accepted the will of the people BUT Trump is risking not only losing power but having a very angry President Pelosi for the next two plus years coming after his butt. He’d do much better with Biden.

McConnell is NOT going to want this. Can you imagine Pelosi’s immediate partisan attacks as President in this situation? There’s going to be so many people from Trump’s administration being prosecuted. Biden would be a lot gentler in hopes of coming together. Pelosi would have no interest in coming together after an attempted steal and the Senate refusing to accept the will of the people. The President has zero say in the way the electoral college works. For all it’s flaws, this is definitely a big plus. The system Republicans claimed they loved for the last four years could grind to a halt and install Pelosi as President.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/state-legislatures-electoral-college-steal/

Pence might try to continue with the vote, but the House could then refuse to participate in the joint session any further, which would shut down the counting. While the stalemate persisted, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could claim the right to serve as acting president starting on Jan. 20 for as long as Senate Republicans fail to recognize Biden’s status as president-elect based on the popular vote in the relevant states.

This could certainly happen re Pelosi. Until Trump sends his DOJ and DHS troops to interrupt the proceedings, when Pence will simply declare Trump to have been re-elected. And that’s what they will do, while they wait for the Supreme Republican Court to agree with Trump and Pence, which that entity will do.

This is already done.

Pence cannot just appoint Trump to a second term. The electoral college has to have its votes read per the Constitution. Federal troops aren’t going to attack Congress. Let’s be clear here. We are either going to have a President Biden or a President Pelosi. No Republican wants President Pelosi so they’ll allow Trump to play these games a little longer then tell him it’s over. Biden will be the next President.

Pence cannot do so lawfully. But that is not stopping him. The official opinions of OLC are being drafted now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To think, this exaggerated and dramatic GOP response of treason is in response to the color of a person’s skin in authority. That is the shame.

What are you talking about?