Is there any way that Trump could retain power? And, also, why are people still backing him?

[Anonymous]

Please stop with these posts. The election happened. He can stall all he want and but many of these states have dates by which they must certify. There isn’t much to do but let the clock run out. Ballots are validated and counted by bipartisan observers. Even with some human error it won’t be enough to overcome these kinds of margins. We are talking about tens of thousands of votes, not hundreds as in Gore/Bush.

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Anonymous wrote:This was written in September, and it seems like it could now be playing out in front of us:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-could-stay-in-power-even-if-he-doesnt-win-the-election-the-constitution-allows-it/2020/09/24/d9371bb0-fe97-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

Except that in the situation we're in now, if the Republicans attempt to send a different slate of electors (and the PA legislature said they will not and without PA Trump loses), the House will simply refuse to participate in the joint session and the counting cannot continue. Trump will no longer be President at noon on Jan 20th per the Constitution and Nancy Pelosi will be acting President until Mitch McConnell accepts the election results. In this situation, President Pelosi is going to be PISSED. She's going to be firing all guns for a broadside on the Republicans and the Trumps especially for creating this situation. There will be prosecutions and in theory Pelosi could actually remain President for two years or even the full four year term if she's re-elected Speaker of the House in two years. Mitch and his people are going to get really uncomfortable if she starts charging people with sedition for treasonous acts. Meanwhile Biden would be tossing softball investigations to appease the left while prosecuting only the absolute most egregious acts in an attempt to unite the country and end this division Trump has created.

Which do you think the Republicans are going to want? Trump is going to be out of office and that's going to be that. They're going to allow Biden to become President because they would much rather have a President Biden than a President Pelosi. I'd wager these lawsuits go on another week or two tops and that's that.

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Anonymous wrote:He will retain power with his base, and will never accept the idea that he lost the election. How that actually plays out, I have no idea. I don't even want to think about it.

His base is almost half the country!

Actually, there are 331,000,000 Americans
71,000,000 people voted for Trump

Less than 1/4 of the population voted for him

Yeah, and Biden got 74 million - percentage-wise that is not exactly knocking it out of the park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please stop with these posts. The election happened. He can stall all he want and but many of these states have dates by which they must certify. There isn’t much to do but let the clock run out. Ballots are validated and counted by bipartisan observers. Even with some human error it won’t be enough to overcome these kinds of margins. We are talking about tens of thousands of votes, not hundreds as in Gore/Bush.

I don’t think faithless electors is the issue. What I gather is that contaminated vote pools will be invalidated by SCOTUS and then constitutionally it falls to that states legislative bodies to assign the electors.

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Anonymous wrote:The administrator of GSA is Refusing to release transition team funds to Biden. This is getting some attention online. Do you think it is significant

She’s nothing but a pathetic Trump lackey. She’ll have blood on her hands when more people needlessly die of coronavirus because she delayed the transition, but she can’t ultimately stop the inauguration from happening.

There's also a thread on it. Please go talk about it there:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/925698.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I say let them examine every software system, ballot, every registered voter roll. Trying to avoid that makes us look guilty. If they find fraud so be it. If not then great.

BS. Meanwhile Biden can't get started on the transition and it leaves us in this sick state of limbo for gd knows how long - and lord knows we need him to be ready to do his job on day one.

Sure. Recount in situations where it's a legally available option. But since we have zero evidence that any recounts would change the results, we need to get started on getting Trump out and getting Biden in. The longer this goes on, the worse it's going to be for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg stop with the faithless electors thing. It’s not happening. Never has. People floated it when trump one too but they elected him. In Pennsylvania the person who wins the popular vote gets the electors. In other states, they’re not going to flip. You’re all ridiculous.

I agree it's not going to happen because Republicans don't want Acting President Pelosi. I do question if you understand what a faithless elector is though. The article above has nothing to do with faithless electors. A faithless elector is one that changes his/her vote from the candidate picked to a different person. The article above is about conservative radio hosts discussing ignoring the vote of the people and appointing Republican electors. These wouldn't be faithless electors, they'd be voting for Trump. Meanwhile there would be another slate of electors appointed by the governor and signed off by him. Federal law (Electoral Count Act) says that they should only count the votes signed by the governor. If Republicans break the law and refuse to do this by attempting to count electors appointed by state legislatures, then the Democrats would end the joint session without a count. At that point, the clock would run until noon on Jan 20th at which point Pelosi is President and things will be really grim for Trump. We will have a President Biden, no doubt about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg stop with the faithless electors thing. It’s not happening. Never has. People floated it when trump one too but they elected him. In Pennsylvania the person who wins the popular vote gets the electors. In other states, they’re not going to flip. You’re all ridiculous.

This isn't about "faithless electors" - it is about GOP state houses sending their own slate to the Electoral College, where VP Pence is the one who chooses which slate to accept. That being litigated would end up on the Supreme Court.

It is highly illegal, but when you are going for a fascist autocracy, laws need to be broken. It will be cloaked in the false premise around ballots as we are seeing now.

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Cult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're wrong. Well, not entirely wrong, but Biden will be sworn in on January 20. Frankly, if Republicans retain the Senate, that's a good thing for the GOP. They will have at least two years, and maybe four, to obstruct anything Biden wants to do and attack him as ineffective.

The bigger picture is the GOP laying the groundwork for future election upheaval and to paint any Democratic Party victories as illegitimate.

[Anonymous]

Re: 9:34 video it scares me our leaders cannot publicly say what they believe. That is not democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10 state attorney generals filed amicus briefs in support of Trumps PA lawsuit, and his donor list for the litigation includes the CEOs of Home Depot, Schwab, Marvel, and TD Ameritrade. McConnell won’t say boo to him and Barr is investigating. I fear that this garbage has gone mainstream and I’m watching our democracy unravel thread by thread.

These were the terms associated with the corona relief. That m*therf*cker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: 9:34 video it scares me our leaders cannot publicly say what they believe. That is not democracy.

Yeah, what the hell. Corrupt and compromised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned that Trump is fomenting distrust and even more rage from his base - if that were even possible. I scared he’s trying to steal this election.

The GOP is jumping on the “voter fraud” bandwagon and sowing more seeds of doubt and anger after seemingly being at the very least quiet about the results (would have been too much for them to acknowledge they lost).

Now Barr is telling DoJ to investigate the elections to add further fuel to the GOP fire despite ZERO evidence of fraud. It’s intended to intimidate Democrats and further add to distrust.

Now rumors Trump is firing officials he doesn’t think are loyal enough, replacing them with yes men / women.

Now appointees are refusing to cooperate with the Biden administration to even start the wheels of transition.

This isn’t looking good, folks. Trying not to be negative but I’m worried. If one thing the last four years have taught me is that sanity and decency will not prevail in GOP circles.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're entirely right.

First, the Government under the present control of Trump and his henchmen will never cooperate in a transition to a Democrat, period. To be clear: the Democratic appointees and the Democratic White House staff will never even get hard pass ID cards.

Second, the Trump administration is ordering Republican subordinates in flipped states to move the selection of their electors, who are Democratic electors as a result of the general election, to state legislatures that will select Republican electors. This is in progress now in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Third, as soon as a court challenge is ripe for appellate review, Barr (in his capacity as GC to the Trump campaign and personal lawyer for Trump) will file an emergency petition to the Supreme Republican Court, which will come up with some order to the effect that Trump remains President.

The system is completely rigged. Trump is absolutely 100% certain to retain power, period, no matter what.

Can you provide more information about the electors? I haven’t seen any articles on this.

PA lege says they won't do this:

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/26/pa-republicans-say-they-wont-choose-electors/3538437001/