Surviving R. Kelly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

He’s been closer to Wendy Williams and she does take him to task. But we need a large number make R&B of Rap artists to come forward and condemn his behavior. Say that he is a child and adult rapist. And then put their money where their mouth is buy pulling any song of theirs that involved R Kelly. No matter how great it was. Pull it. It should not be listened to and he shouldn’t continue to profit from it. Apple, Amazon, and Pandora need to stand with Spotify and drop his catalogue from their line up. And all these houses of whorship singing - I Belive I Can Fly - had better have made their last rendition on Dec 30th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

Blaming “society” is a cop out. R Kelly continued his reign of terror because in both cases witnesses refused to cooperate and his record label turned a blind eye. If the witnesses and more importantly the victims and their families had cooperated during his trial that would’ve been the last we heard from the Pied Piper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

Blaming “society” is a cop out. R Kelly continued his reign of terror because in both cases witnesses refused to cooperate and his record label turned a blind eye. If the witnesses and more importantly the victims and their families had cooperated during his trial that would’ve been the last we heard from the Pied Piper.

Where did you see “society” mentioned in my post? I named specific entities who are culpable. Don’t use my post as a springboard for your kneejerk rant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

Blaming “society” is a cop out. R Kelly continued his reign of terror because in both cases witnesses refused to cooperate and his record label turned a blind eye. If the witnesses and more importantly the victims and their families had cooperated during his trial that would’ve been the last we heard from the Pied Piper.

Where did you see “society” mentioned in my post? I named specific entities who are culpable. Don’t use my post as a springboard for your kneejerk rant.

The response is to the first part and blaming people who buy his music or the Oprah’s of this world. The fact is if the parents of Aaliyah and the young girl in the video had pressed charges, Robert Sylvester Kelly would be in prison. In both cases the victims denied the accusations and that has nothing to do with people buying his music or the Oprah’s of the world. Personally, I stopped buying his music when the first allegations surfaced but my dollars won’t protect the innocent, only a jail cell and serious counseling to come to terms with the his own abuse and the abuse of others will do that.

[Anonymous]

I read an article this morning that said prosecutors in Chicago and Georgia are investigating on behalf of some of the victims. Hopefully with cooperation, he'll get nailed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

Blaming “society” is a cop out. R Kelly continued his reign of terror because in both cases witnesses refused to cooperate and his record label turned a blind eye. If the witnesses and more importantly the victims and their families had cooperated during his trial that would’ve been the last we heard from the Pied Piper.

Where did you see “society” mentioned in my post? I named specific entities who are culpable. Don’t use my post as a springboard for your kneejerk rant.

The response is to the first part and blaming people who buy his music or the Oprah’s of this world. The fact is if the parents of Aaliyah and the young girl in the video had pressed charges, Robert Sylvester Kelly would be in prison. In both cases the victims denied the accusations and that has nothing to do with people buying his music or the Oprah’s of the world. Personally, I stopped buying his music when the first allegations surfaced but my dollars won’t protect the innocent, only a jail cell and serious counseling to come to terms with the his own abuse and the abuse of others will do that.

This right here!

Every single parent that denied it was their daughter, failed their daughter, including Aaliyah’s parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to derail the thread or anything but why isn't Tyga also considered a pedophile since he was messing around with Kylie while she was 15, and he was 25 or so? He is also disgusting.

Both Aliyah and Kylie have pimp parents. They did go far in life though with using their bodies. Too bad Aliyah died young because she was on the path to make a sextape with R Kelly or some other sugar daddy. A big loss for porn channels. Tyga is indeed a pedophile with the blessing of the momager pimp and the transexual father.

No, Aaliyah was not on that path. She was not involved with R Kelly for years. She was deep with Missy Elliott and Timbaland, making music. You must not follow RnB. She started acting with Romeo Must Die and Queen of the Damned came out after her death. Her star was rising, no porn in her future. Her mom might be crazy, but she is not Kris Jenner.

+1. She did well after R.Kelly.

+1 After the annulment she cut off all ties with R. Kelly. She was in a relationship with Dame Dash when she died. Dame Dash has been silent since her death but in light of this documentary, he's spoken out in a recent interview. Basically he said that Aaliyah couldn't even really talk about it and that all she would say was that he was a really bad person. Dame said that he wouldn't have even been comfortable going there with her without a professional, that's how messed up she was over what had happened with R. Kelly. When Jay Z (who was business partners with Dame at the time through Rockafella) did two albums with R. Kelly, Dame was pissed and refused to have his name attached to the projects. Dame also refused to take any profits so he gave his portion to Aaliyah's breast cancer charity.

Aaliyah had moved on and did not speak about R. Kelly publically (or personally it seems). Her career was thriving and according to Dame they were in love and planning on marrying.

[Anonymous]

I loved Rock the Boat, the song she had just done the video for right before she died.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

I agree with the PP. Black people are only taking him to task now because we do not want to look bad in the eyes from white people. However, sexual assaulting girls and rampant misogyny are embraced in the black community. Black men in general have profited off of abusing our women and girls for years. When folks came out years ago about the denigration of black women and girls from black men specifically those within the music industry folks cried racism. I was told on this very forum a few years ago, "Well it is our culture and it is art." As a crisis counselor who has spent years working with black families I have heard far too many times, "We do not want to see another brother going to jail." This is not just about the POS R. Kelly is about the culture at large which refuses to protect black girls from predators especially when those predators are black men. You know how many black women have been sexually assaulted as girls by men in their family, community, or in church? I have lost count. The black community looks the other way and blames the victim of abuse. When it comes time to prosecute these men who assault children people rally around the predators and give them protection. Often times in the black community when our girls are assaulted she is the one who is ostracized. It is disheartening black women and girls do not have a voice. The abuse within the black community especially our girls and even our boys are not giving justice because our society has embrace black men being sexually violent.

Now black folks want to act like we care about our girls. It's BS! Those of us who have been on the frontlines fighting these monsters for years were ignored. If anything, it took going outside of the black community for some of us advocates to get justice. We need to seriously stop protecting black men who prey on women and girls. We need to stop excusing their degenerate behavior and blaming racism for the reason why they behave the way that they do. Other so call "good black men" need to call other black men to task and speak out for their daughters, sisters, and mothers. It is beyond despicable how years of covering up sexual abuse within the black community has damaged so many black women who were abused as children. Folks only care now because it is a celebrity that many people worshipped, but this tragedy goes further than just R. Kelly. We can no longer continue pointing the finger at white people. There are many R. Kellys within our communities, churches, and in some cases families. The real question is, "Are black people going to step up and work with law enforcement to turn in the sexual predators that they know? Are black people going to continue financially supporting black people (entertainers, those within the church, etc.) who are abusers? Are other black men going to call out child predators who harassed children? Or are they going blame the victim? Protecting child predators has gone for years within the black community this is not new. Families don't even report abuses in many cases and many black girls suffer in silence. Turn these monsters in and denounce them from our community. Who cares if they go to jail. So many people knew about R. Kelly, but they turned a blind eye.

Anyone who coverup the abuse of children or anyone for that matter should be prosecuted and held accountable for protecting predators. When this R. Kelly saga is over the black community will go back to living in denial by blaming white people for these uncivilized creatures like R Kelly and their inhumane behavior. It's so sickening that we refuse to protect our children especially our girls!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He went to trial and was acquitted when there was video. What is the end game here? You have Aaliyah's mother calling the witness a liar. You have Jay Z, Questlove, and other celebs refusing to participate. Not even Celine "I'm your angel" Dion. Only John Legend stepped up. The women who came forward in recent years were of age. The women at the houses in GA and Chicago are of age. Police have been to both residences and gave an all clear. He called himself the black Hugh Hefner, and right now that's what he's looking like. How do you get him?

Questlove said that he wouldn't participate b/c they wanted him to talk about R Kelly being a genius and he wasn't going to do that. He said that he was scumbag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PLEASE people don’t let the only argument or comment you have after seeing this documentary be “I blame the parents” or “but he been like that.” This world is so sad! The only thing that should be said now is “how do we get justice” or “how can I support the Me Too movement.” How can we stop monsters like this from continuing to hurt women!!!? First thing you can do is stop listening/buying/steaming his music. No need to fund and or support this nasty MFer. Sit down and teach your kids that there are monsters like him everywhere and how to identify if someone may be in a similar situation.

It's not just women; it's children.

And yes, I will continue to blame the parents AND the predators. What loving parent pimps out his/her child? The parents in the documentary sent their kids to live with these men? WTH is that about?

I believe there are huge pedo rings - national and international - who prey upon vulnerable children.

vile

Watch the show. It wasn't always the parents. Some of them tried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PLEASE people don’t let the only argument or comment you have after seeing this documentary be “I blame the parents” or “but he been like that.” This world is so sad! The only thing that should be said now is “how do we get justice” or “how can I support the Me Too movement.” How can we stop monsters like this from continuing to hurt women!!!? First thing you can do is stop listening/buying/steaming his music. No need to fund and or support this nasty MFer. Sit down and teach your kids that there are monsters like him everywhere and how to identify if someone may be in a similar situation.

It's not just women; it's children.

And yes, I will continue to blame the parents AND the predators. What loving parent pimps out his/her child? The parents in the documentary sent their kids to live with these men? WTH is that about?

I believe there are huge pedo rings - national and international - who prey upon vulnerable children.

vile

Watch the show. It wasn't always the parents. Some of them tried.

Almost all of the parents had adult daughters that got involved with R Kelly. But the 14 yo who was attending his trial everyday? Where were her parents? And the last set of parents had a 17 yo that they allowed to spend time with him. As someone said upthread, they went from having a parent with her during the meetings to allowing one of his handlers to watch her. And then they allowed her to live away from them to supposedly work on her music with him. Really? Yes, these “star” parents are also part of the problem. If parents won’t protect their children, who will?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story has been going on for years but the music industry still embraces him. Didn't he do a duet with Lady Gaga? Plenty of people, blacks and whites, buy his music and attend his concerts. If he had done this to young white girls he'd be in jail. why haven't people like Oprah taken him to task?

How telling that you think “people like Oprah”—black people—should take him to task when you admit all races support his music. Has it occurred to you that white people, too, have a responsibility to these black girls and have failed miserably? The only people who have spoken out are black people, even though whites run his record company, own Spotify and Apple and other platforms, and control distribution. The real question is why white people are so heartless and racist that you feel no responsibility here.

I agree with the PP. Black people are only taking him to task now because we do not want to look bad in the eyes from white people. However, sexual assaulting girls and rampant misogyny are embraced in the black community. Black men in general have profited off of abusing our women and girls for years. When folks came out years ago about the denigration of black women and girls from black men specifically those within the music industry folks cried racism. I was told on this very forum a few years ago, "Well it is our culture and it is art." As a crisis counselor who has spent years working with black families I have heard far too many times, "We do not want to see another brother going to jail." This is not just about the POS R. Kelly is about the culture at large which refuses to protect black girls from predators especially when those predators are black men. You know how many black women have been sexually assaulted as girls by men in their family, community, or in church? I have lost count. The black community looks the other way and blames the victim of abuse. When it comes time to prosecute these men who assault children people rally around the predators and give them protection. Often times in the black community when our girls are assaulted she is the one who is ostracized. It is disheartening black women and girls do not have a voice. The abuse within the black community especially our girls and even our boys are not giving justice because our society has embrace black men being sexually violent.

Now black folks want to act like we care about our girls. It's BS! Those of us who have been on the frontlines fighting these monsters for years were ignored. If anything, it took going outside of the black community for some of us advocates to get justice. We need to seriously stop protecting black men who prey on women and girls. We need to stop excusing their degenerate behavior and blaming racism for the reason why they behave the way that they do. Other so call "good black men" need to call other black men to task and speak out for their daughters, sisters, and mothers. It is beyond despicable how years of covering up sexual abuse within the black community has damaged so many black women who were abused as children. Folks only care now because it is a celebrity that many people worshipped, but this tragedy goes further than just R. Kelly. We can no longer continue pointing the finger at white people. There are many R. Kellys within our communities, churches, and in some cases families. The real question is, "Are black people going to step up and work with law enforcement to turn in the sexual predators that they know? Are black people going to continue financially supporting black people (entertainers, those within the church, etc.) who are abusers? Are other black men going to call out child predators who harassed children? Or are they going blame the victim? Protecting child predators has gone for years within the black community this is not new. Families don't even report abuses in many cases and many black girls suffer in silence. Turn these monsters in and denounce them from our community. Who cares if they go to jail. So many people knew about R. Kelly, but they turned a blind eye.

Anyone who coverup the abuse of children or anyone for that matter should be prosecuted and held accountable for protecting predators. When this R. Kelly saga is over the black community will go back to living in denial by blaming white people for these uncivilized creatures like R Kelly and their inhumane behavior. It's so sickening that we refuse to protect our children especially our girls!

Thank you. This post is brutally honest.

[Anonymous]

“ Black people are only taking him to task now because we do not want to look bad in the eyes from white people.” I disagree, black women have been #muterkelly for a long time. I do truly wonder though... are you black?