If your family are trumpsters

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Anonymous wrote:Op, I am back and ready to conclude this on my end.

Your responses were hepful, and I feel more clear on this than I was.

I was concerned anout what my position should be if my family were actively supporting or excusing family separations. Hence the thought experiment about whether I would hang out with family members who were actual nazis.

Anyway, I asked some questions and they are not. I don't love where they are at, but they don't support family separations. So I am ok with going and let them know I don't plan to talk politics.

How magnanimous of you. You don't love all of their politics, but you will still deign to see them at family events.

Let's flip this. Assume your relatives are pro-life and you are pro-choice. As strongly as you believe kids shouldn't be separated from their families, they believe kids shouldn't be murdered. (To preempt the likely, and erroneous, response -- I am pro-choice but can understand where the other side is coming from and am not willing to act like my view is the only acceptable viewpoint to hold.)

Would you think it reasonable for them to refuse to go to any family outings as a result of this difference of opinion?

At the end of the day, not everyone is going to have the same opinions -- even on things that each side believes they are 100% correct. To separate from family (or even friends) over such differences is crazy and it is a terrible sign of how people on the left and right are each retreating into their own bubbles.

The pro-lifers in my family seek to reduce abortion by voting R once every 2-4 years, vs taking any actions lead to an actual reduction in these abortion. So I am quick to point this out, or I might engage them on the legal logistics on banning abortion. Because to me, the issue is legal not moral. And trying to ban it legally often doesn't change behavior. Just creates consequences for the poor and vulnerable.

Which is similar to what is happening with regards to family separations at the border. People aren't taking these risks because they are monsters seeking harm on America, they are poor and often uneducated to the processes and legalities of our borders. They are also preyed upon by opportunistic smugglers who feed them false information. The zero-tolerance scheme just further punishes desperate folks who are already dealt an unfortunate hand at life. Obviously, we have to be diligent as a country to protect ourselves, but we don't have to be downright cruel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not go. This family separation is the last straw for me. I cannot enjoy being around someone who is not outraged about it. And I don't want to spend my vacation feeling stressed, sad, angry, etc that my family members are not good people.

I’m sure your liberal friends would be the first to lend you $5,000, their car, let you crash in the spare bedroom for a few minutes the should you fall on hard times and need to get back in your feet, right? Screw family. Who needs ‘em!!

[Anonymous]

Op you will have to decide what. Is more important to you-and what you can control. It's possible that your family is having a similar discussion about you right now!

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Months* not minutes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not go. This family separation is the last straw for me. I cannot enjoy being around someone who is not outraged about it. And I don't want to spend my vacation feeling stressed, sad, angry, etc that my family members are not good people.

I’m sure your liberal friends would be the first to lend you $5,000, their car, let you crash in the spare bedroom for a few minutes the should you fall on hard times and need to get back in your feet, right? Screw family. Who needs ‘em!!

Maybe, maybe not. But I know my liberal friends wouldn’t vote to slash the safety net so badly that my only option for getting back on my feet would be to beg for help from family that may or may not be alive or may or may not be in a position that they could help me out without drowning themselves.

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Boy - you all are a pains, if I was your mom I would dread having you come with all your anxieties and inability to have a social interaction w/o whining. I have two children with different political beliefs and would like to think they were brought up to interact socially and respect others' views in an adult manner. But growing up I had the advantage of my parents and their friends hosting political discussions with debate over opposing viewpoints and saw how an adult exchange takes place. Sad for you.

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The point is it is not all polite dinner table discussion when some people are supporting family separation. I would not sit down with them.

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Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

[Anonymous]

Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

Not politics. Human rights!! If you don't care about children, you don't get to be around mine.

[Anonymous]

Thankfully my family is all Democrat and anti-trump. Even so though, I've found I am happier when we don't discuss 45 and his admin, even though we all agree on issues. Discussing orange just makes us angrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

Not politics. Human rights!! If you don't care about children, you don't get to be around mine.

PP here. Okay. Human rights. There are human rights issues all over the world. "Human Rights" is not a sword to die on when you have a whole life ahead. "Human Rights" won't be there for you if lose a child, are dying of cancer, experience a terrible financial loss, etc. You'll need and want your family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

Not politics. Human rights!! If you don't care about children, you don't get to be around mine.

PP here. Okay. Human rights. There are human rights issues all over the world. "Human Rights" is not a sword to die on when you have a whole life ahead. "Human Rights" won't be there for you if lose a child, are dying of cancer, experience a terrible financial loss, etc. You'll need and want your family.

Wow. This is a weird argument. Are you afraid some people are gonna disown you? Yeah, you should be scared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

People like you are the reason these attitudes persist. Why not learn to stand on your own two feet so you don't need to placate your vile family members in order to rely on them? I don't need or want any help from my family, and those who have adopted positions I find disgusting and immoral are not welcome in my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

People like you are the reason these attitudes persist. Why not learn to stand on your own two feet so you don't need to placate your vile family members in order to rely on them? I don't need or want any help from my family, and those who have adopted positions I find disgusting and immoral are not welcome in my life.

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