If your family are trumpsters

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you must be really young, or you would understand that as you go through life and experience sad and/or really hard times, you're going to wish you'd maintained family relationships. Unless there's another underlying reason, it's best to try to not sever ties over politics.

Not politics. Human rights!! If you don't care about children, you don't get to be around mine.

And you get to solely decide what is a "human right" that warrants shunning? Your pro-life family member could just as easily shun you. Or let's all shun each other over differing views on Israeli-Palestinian relations. Etc, etc, etc.

I disdain support of child abuse more so than sanctimony. You do you, I guess.

Yeah, I get to decide for me. For example, if you were my family member, I would disown you.

Enjoy your lonely life. And to the extent it matters, I probably agree with you politically on more things than not, but really disdain the extreme sanctimony we see from all sides today.

I disdain support of child abuse much more so than sanctimony, and I am gonna have demand same from anyone who wants to be in my life.

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Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

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I don't bring it up. If (when) they bring it up, I give fair warning that it's not a good idea, they should drop it, etc. But, if they continue and if they get very offensive, I'll stand my ground. It's on them, at that point.

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Yeah, you need to not support child abuse to be in my life. Can't believe this is controversial!

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Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

NO, it's not. One leads to traumatized children who have suffered immeasurably from being ripped from their parents. One is freeing an adult from the stress and heartache of having to deal with racist and horrible family members. It's not even close to the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

[Anonymous]

If nothing else, I have learned hear that some bigots fear getting dumped by their family members. Useful?

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Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

You must have overlooked the word "children" in my post. Pain experienced by adults AND their children that can continue across generations. FWIW, do you know how many kids are currently in foster care and wishing desperately for a home and family? Approximately half a million on any given day. How about we make those kids our priority?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

You must have overlooked the word "children" in my post. Pain experienced by adults AND their children that can continue across generations. FWIW, do you know how many kids are currently in foster care and wishing desperately for a home and family? Approximately half a million on any given day. How about we make those kids our priority?

Caring about one group of children doesn't mean I don't care about other needy groups of children. I'm capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time. We're talking about THESE kids right now, in this conversation.

And no not being able to see Grandma anymore after she ranted about Trump at the fourth of July bbq is not the same as a toddler being taken from her parents and incarcerated.

Personally I won't stand between my trump relatives and my kids. But I'm also not going to listen to them justify the last five days. I am my kid's parent, and they generally will see less of people I am estranged from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

You must have overlooked the word "children" in my post. Pain experienced by adults AND their children that can continue across generations. FWIW, do you know how many kids are currently in foster care and wishing desperately for a home and family? Approximately half a million on any given day. How about we make those kids our priority?

Caring about one group of children doesn't mean I don't care about other needy groups of children. I'm capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time. We're talking about THESE kids right now, in this conversation.

And no not being able to see Grandma anymore after she ranted about Trump at the fourth of July bbq is not the same as a toddler being taken from her parents and incarcerated.

Personally I won't stand between my trump relatives and my kids. But I'm also not going to listen to them justify the last five days. I am my kid's parent, and they generally will see less of people I am estranged from.

Perhaps they’ll estrange themselves from you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If nothing else, I have learned hear that some bigots fear getting dumped by their family members. Useful?

Then your reading comprehension skills are very limited. That's not what anyone wrote.

Yeah, who has said that? People arguing that it would be absurd to dump family over policy disagreements is not remotely the same thing as people fearing being cut off.

Why do you care if it's absurd if it doesn't bother you?

So my disagreeing with you means I am bothered by/fear being shunned? That makes no sense at all. One can say it is foolish to cut off contact with family members over political differences without fearing it will happen to you.

And in my case I truly have nothing to worry about. First, I am not a Trump supporter so I wouldn't even be ostracized by this self-righteous crowd. Second, my family members are not judgmental know-it-alls, so they wouldn't shun me even if we disagreed about this or other matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

You must have overlooked the word "children" in my post. Pain experienced by adults AND their children that can continue across generations. FWIW, do you know how many kids are currently in foster care and wishing desperately for a home and family? Approximately half a million on any given day. How about we make those kids our priority?

Caring about one group of children doesn't mean I don't care about other needy groups of children. I'm capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time. We're talking about THESE kids right now, in this conversation.

And no not being able to see Grandma anymore after she ranted about Trump at the fourth of July bbq is not the same as a toddler being taken from her parents and incarcerated.

Personally I won't stand between my trump relatives and my kids. But I'm also not going to listen to them justify the last five days. I am my kid's parent, and they generally will see less of people I am estranged from.

Perhaps they’ll estrange themselves from you

+1 What goes around comes around, as they say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If nothing else, I have learned hear that some bigots fear getting dumped by their family members. Useful?

Then your reading comprehension skills are very limited. That's not what anyone wrote.

Yeah, who has said that? People arguing that it would be absurd to dump family over policy disagreements is not remotely the same thing as people fearing being cut off.

Why do you care if it's absurd if it doesn't bother you?

So my disagreeing with you means I am bothered by/fear being shunned? That makes no sense at all. One can say it is foolish to cut off contact with family members over political differences without fearing it will happen to you.

And in my case I truly have nothing to worry about. First, I am not a Trump supporter so I wouldn't even be ostracized by this self-righteous crowd. Second, my family members are not judgmental know-it-alls, so they wouldn't shun me even if we disagreed about this or other matters.

Listen. I haven't estranged anyone, and I don't want to. I try really hard to not talk about it. But my family is like....the day Harvey Weinstein got put in jail my mom called to LITERALLY gloat (as in she said, "how do you feel about a democrat disrespecting women I just had to call to gloat"). My family members taunt me about this stuff. They think I'm some soft hearted idiot that doesn't know anything.

And if I estranged myself from them I'm gonna be the bad guy. Despite the fact that they gang up on me and disrespect me basically every time I'm at a family event.

So I dunno. Do I want to lose family members over this? No. Is my patience pretty tried when people turn what I think are human rights abuses and the complete devaluation of females to sex objects as something I'm just too touchy about? Maybe if Trump voters weren't so nasty about liberals then liberals wouldn't be feeling like cutting them off. And I'm sure your response will be, 'well liberals are nasty to trump voters too.' But you know what? I'm not nasty to my family but when politics come up suddenly I'm a 'stupid liberal.' I don't start calling them nazis. I dunno, its not just the politics, its the disrespect and it comes from both sides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racists and family separation supporters deserve to be shunned, even by family members. It's not just two different perspectives. One is evil.

Rich the irony is.

Sorry, but ripping children from parents is not even close to adults choosing to be estranged from family members

same result

Except it won't inflict lifelong damage on adults.

You'd be surprised what can hurt adults, as well as children, when there are family rifts.

A rift is painful. But if two adults have a fight and one chooses to estrange themselves from the other, than neither party is innocent. People don't have an obligation to maintain relationships with people they don't like.

Society has an obligation to not imprison and traumatize small children.

The fact that you are equating the pain from an adult cause rift to the pain suffered by toddlers who are ripped out of their parents arms and put in detention centers shows how truly out of touch with the current issue you really are.

You must have overlooked the word "children" in my post. Pain experienced by adults AND their children that can continue across generations. FWIW, do you know how many kids are currently in foster care and wishing desperately for a home and family? Approximately half a million on any given day. How about we make those kids our priority?

Caring about one group of children doesn't mean I don't care about other needy groups of children. I'm capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time. We're talking about THESE kids right now, in this conversation.

And no not being able to see Grandma anymore after she ranted about Trump at the fourth of July bbq is not the same as a toddler being taken from her parents and incarcerated.

Personally I won't stand between my trump relatives and my kids. But I'm also not going to listen to them justify the last five days. I am my kid's parent, and they generally will see less of people I am estranged from.

Perhaps they’ll estrange themselves from you

Frankly that would remove the moral quandary from my shoulders. I would be sad though too. And I'd hope we found our way back towards one another when our morals weren't so divergent.