When can a child be expelled for being too much of a disruption

[Anonymous]

And yes, I guess what I really want to know is when is "enough enough" When is the decision made to expel? How far does the school have to go, how many transgressions, how many complaints, how many offenses? What is the line drawn? Never? ONly if he hurts someone or brings in a weapon? He currently does draw pictures of guns in class - I hope it doesn't go further than that.

Just looking for experiences of others.

[Anonymous]

I can't imagine that they expel elementary school kids ever. What they probably do is put a child in a specialized program at another school where he can get the supports he needs. It's possible the parents are seeking this for their own kid but the school is resistant.

Talk to the school, explain your concerns but please keep in mind that you're talking about a child. Yes, a 4th grader is still a child and he needs help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And yes, I guess what I really want to know is when is "enough enough" When is the decision made to expel? How far does the school have to go, how many transgressions, how many complaints, how many offenses? What is the line drawn? Never? ONly if he hurts someone or brings in a weapon? He currently does draw pictures of guns in class - I hope it doesn't go further than that.

Just looking for experiences of others.

I'd really be interested in knowing this also. What is the exact policy?

After 3 violations, will they expel a student? After 5 complaints? What is the cut off at MCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

Then call the police if you are certain what happened was a sexual assault.

I know if I thought my child was sexually assaulted I would call the police, not debate the definition on a web board.

I agree with you. I would definitely call the police if there was a boy in DD's 4th grade class who had repeatedly patted her on the a**.

However, I still feel that there should be a strong, no tolerance policy across MCPS saying that that type of behavior will result in expulsion. If there have been X number of incidents, the student needs to be out of the school.

What is MCPS policy on this? I think that's what OP is asking. At what point DOES the student get suspended? If you can answer that clearly, that will address the OP's post.

If the child is sexually abusing students and is arrested for sexual abuse that will probably result in expulsion.

If the kids is just annoying and says inappropriate things he won't be expelled.

Can you provide us (and OP) with a link delineating this policy?

I'd be interested in knowing how they deal with sexual harassment issues (versus sexual assualt).

Is it really that hard to google stuff?

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/sexualharassment/

Remember: There has to be intent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, I guess what I really want to know is when is "enough enough" When is the decision made to expel? How far does the school have to go, how many transgressions, how many complaints, how many offenses? What is the line drawn? Never? ONly if he hurts someone or brings in a weapon? He currently does draw pictures of guns in class - I hope it doesn't go further than that.

Just looking for experiences of others.

I'd really be interested in knowing this also. What is the exact policy?

After 3 violations, will they expel a student? After 5 complaints? What is the cut off at MCPS?

Wouldn't it be nice if life were black and white like that.

[Anonymous]

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Is it really that hard to google stuff?

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/sexualharassment/

Remember: There has to be intent.

Thanks for the link. I still don't see where it says what the consequences are for sexual harassment.

It says that a student can report sexual harassment, but it does not say what happens to a student if they harass another classmate.

If I'm missing it, please do let me know!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh this is so difficult. My nephew has a lot of SN and could very well be like this kid at his own school. When he was little, he had an obsession with boobs and butts and would constantly try to pull down your shirt, lift up your skirt, etc. Something a 2 year old might do but he was 6. Thankfully his parents and therapists were on top of this behavior and as far as I know, he has not repeated it in years.

However, my DD, who has always been very sweet and caring towards him knew that if he did something appropriate like that, she was to immediately tell an adult. She knew that some of his behavior she had to kind of put up with and understand he couldn't control it, but at no point, no matter what type of SN someone may have, is it ok or excusable for someone to touch her without her permission.

OP, I would create a stink about the groping aspect of the situation. It's inexcusable that the school is pulling the "SN card" to allow this behavior to continue. It sends a horrible message to all the girls "yes, we tell you that inappropriate touching is bad and should never happen to you. Well unless the person has some issues and can't control it. Then its ok"

I posted earlier in this thread about how I will never ever expect my DD to have compassion towards another student who touches her inappropriately.

To respond to your post, I think there is a big difference between age 6 and age 10. I can have more tolerance for little boys who do this (I have two sons) up until around 3rd grade or so. But, by age 10, OP's daughter should not have to put up with this ever. The school needs to have something in place - whether it's an aide that shadows the kid, or moving the kid to a different setting.

[Anonymous]

I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

I like how you decided to downplay the incident by saying "bottom patting". What about when the boy grabs a girls breasts? That is not sexual assault.

YOU pp are the problem in the world. Not the parents trying to protect their children from this childs behavior. I do not care how SN this child is. It has happened more than once and is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD. You disgust me pp.

[Anonymous]

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Is it really that hard to google stuff?

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/sexualharassment/

Remember: There has to be intent.

Thanks for the link. I still don't see where it says what the consequences are for sexual harassment.

It says that a student can report sexual harassment, but it does not say what happens to a student if they harass another classmate.

If I'm missing it, please do let me know!

You asked for the policy. That is the policy.

You want to know what the result is of every single misconduct that happens like there is an if then else chart? Oh if it were that simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

I like how you decided to downplay the incident by saying "bottom patting". What about when the boy grabs a girls breasts? That is not sexual assault.

YOU pp are the problem in the world. Not the parents trying to protect their children from this childs behavior. I do not care how SN this child is. It has happened more than once and is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD. You disgust me pp.

This is why a trained professional, the police, should handle the situation.

So hysterical parents like you can be controlled and real issues are dealt with properly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

I like how you decided to downplay the incident by saying "bottom patting". What about when the boy grabs a girls breasts? That is not sexual assault.

YOU pp are the problem in the world. Not the parents trying to protect their children from this childs behavior. I do not care how SN this child is. It has happened more than once and is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD. You disgust me pp.

This is why a trained professional, the police, should handle the situation.

So hysterical parents like you can be controlled and real issues are dealt with properly.

What in gods name are you talking about? You obviously have issues with following posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

Awesome. You are more than welcome to tell your DD it's okay if someone 'pats her on the bottom'. She should just laugh it off and move along. I don't want to teach my DD that.

If your DD is 12 and someone pats her on the butt every day at school, are you still okay with it then? What about in HS? Under 18, the boys are all still kids. They're just having fun, patting the girls' bottoms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am horrified that several people on here suggested calling the police and reporting a SN 10 year old for sexually assaulting their child after these bottom-patting incidents. I think I am better off going through life not knowing the basest anger and self righteousness that goes silently through other people's minds.

I'm a PP, and honestly, I'd rather not have to call the police. I wish the school would just take care of it. I think most of the PPs are saying that if the school is not doing anything, then you need to call the police.

According to that other PPs link to the MCPS policy, there is no written policy that says if a student sexually harasses another student, he will be expelled from school. So, really, it can just go on indefinitely if the school does not choose to address it. In that case, it's more than fair to call the police. What alternative would you suggest if a classmate is touching your DD's breasts and butt repeatedly after being asked to stop?

[Anonymous]

"My daughter tells me about instances where he disrupts teaching on a daily basis. Yesterday, music was ruined when he began burping loudly. THe principal actually came into the room and asked him to accompany him to the front office and the kid refused!! After some back and forth, the entire class had to be moved to another room so that the kid could be handled by the principal (since he refused to get up and move) The poor teachers seem not to know what to do. "

The principal clearly knows about the problem. What do you do when an ES student refuses to listen to the principal?