When can a child be expelled for being too much of a disruption

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought there were no disruptive kids in W schools! According to DCUM there are only disruptive kids in schools for the poors!

Cite evidence of this claim. Thx.

[Anonymous]

At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought there were no disruptive kids in W schools! According to DCUM there are only disruptive kids in schools for the poors!

Cite evidence of this claim. Thx.

Well, there was the thread with the title "THAT'S why I sent my child to a W school" (or something like that), whose content was a link to an incident in a high school in Paterson, New Jersey, but I think that Jeff deleted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that MCPS has adopted a no suspension policy, except for cases of violence.

Well
can't say your second point is true

had a kid who shoved a teacher
another kid who threatened a teacher and her children

still with us . . .
I have both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

Then call the police if you are certain what happened was a sexual assault.

I know if I thought my child was sexually assaulted I would call the police, not debate the definition on a web board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that MCPS has adopted a no suspension policy, except for cases of violence.

Just keep reporting it to the principal and the press. The school wants you to shut up and sing kumbaya. There are federal programs and aid for such children, the parents probably tried MCPS first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

Agree, get this krap on record and get the school to do the right this for ALL involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

Then call the police if you are certain what happened was a sexual assault.

I know if I thought my child was sexually assaulted I would call the police, not debate the definition on a web board.

I agree with you. I would definitely call the police if there was a boy in DD's 4th grade class who had repeatedly patted her on the a**.

However, I still feel that there should be a strong, no tolerance policy across MCPS saying that that type of behavior will result in expulsion. If there have been X number of incidents, the student needs to be out of the school.

What is MCPS policy on this? I think that's what OP is asking. At what point DOES the student get suspended? If you can answer that clearly, that will address the OP's post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

Then call the police if you are certain what happened was a sexual assault.

I know if I thought my child was sexually assaulted I would call the police, not debate the definition on a web board.

I agree with you. I would definitely call the police if there was a boy in DD's 4th grade class who had repeatedly patted her on the a**.

However, I still feel that there should be a strong, no tolerance policy across MCPS saying that that type of behavior will result in expulsion. If there have been X number of incidents, the student needs to be out of the school.

What is MCPS policy on this? I think that's what OP is asking. At what point DOES the student get suspended? If you can answer that clearly, that will address the OP's post.

If the child is sexually abusing students and is arrested for sexual abuse that will probably result in expulsion.

If the kids is just annoying and says inappropriate things he won't be expelled.

[Anonymous]

Ugh this is so difficult. My nephew has a lot of SN and could very well be like this kid at his own school. When he was little, he had an obsession with boobs and butts and would constantly try to pull down your shirt, lift up your skirt, etc. Something a 2 year old might do but he was 6. Thankfully his parents and therapists were on top of this behavior and as far as I know, he has not repeated it in years.

However, my DD, who has always been very sweet and caring towards him knew that if he did something appropriate like that, she was to immediately tell an adult. She knew that some of his behavior she had to kind of put up with and understand he couldn't control it, but at no point, no matter what type of SN someone may have, is it ok or excusable for someone to touch her without her permission.

OP, I would create a stink about the groping aspect of the situation. It's inexcusable that the school is pulling the "SN card" to allow this behavior to continue. It sends a horrible message to all the girls "yes, we tell you that inappropriate touching is bad and should never happen to you. Well unless the person has some issues and can't control it. Then its ok"

[Anonymous]

OP, from your description, I'm surprised this hasn't resulted in an aide being assigned one-on-one with this student. I get all the reasons for limiting suspensions, and the value in trying to continue to work with kids and get them to function in the most inclusive settings, but the others kids need to feel safe and valued as well. An aide would be great because it allows the kid to stay in the class, but the teacher and the rest of the kids can focus what they are supposed to be doing.

[Anonymous]

Compassion does not equal excuses. I have a graduate degree in Social Work and like to think that I can understand the difficulties faced by some children (either environmental or organic). But not all problems are "special needs" or pathologies. Sometimes families exist with chaos or do not provide parenting, but compassion for a child in this situation is teaching them appropriate behavior and raising expectations. This will allow them to make friends, learn in school and maybe sometime hold down a job. A ten year old is fully capable of manipulating situations and asserting control. None of us can know which it is. But whether this child has true pathologies or is just misbehaving does not mean that we should ignore the impact on everyone else in that classroom. There does come a time when that child's needs must be balanced with the needs of 30 other kids and the teacher. Some kids should not be mainstreamed.

[Anonymous]

OP, I would create a stink about the groping aspect of the situation. It's inexcusable that the school is pulling the "SN card" to allow this behavior to continue. It sends a horrible message to all the girls "yes, we tell you that inappropriate touching is bad and should never happen to you. Well unless the person has some issues and can't control it. Then its ok"

This. I would report it to the state and go beyond the principal. The school is not making the correct accommodations if the girls are being groped. 4th grade is an impressionable age. Telling girls to just look the other way is not OK.