When can a child be expelled for being too much of a disruption

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was in private school and we left because of such kids. I am not surprised that W schools will get their quotas of such kids as well. They are the same demographics.

You mean you left a private school due to the behavioral issues of another student? Can't private schools ask such a disruptive child to leave?

Many of the disruptive kids in public school end up in private.

Not the top privates. Not at all. You think Holton or St Albans would take one of those kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the district have special ed classes or special schools for kids with this sort of problem. Spec ed teachers with mental health training should be able to handle this kid.

No, they all want their kid in normal kid classes so they can disrupt the normal kid's school day

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There are schools designed to handle such behavior, not necessarily physically located in the county. The cost to taxpayers is crazy though.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was in private school and we left because of such kids. I am not surprised that W schools will get their quotas of such kids as well. They are the same demographics.

You mean you left a private school due to the behavioral issues of another student? Can't private schools ask such a disruptive child to leave?

Not if they really want the parents money!

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Is "ass" a bad word? Why do some of you ** or $$ it?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the district have special ed classes or special schools for kids with this sort of problem. Spec ed teachers with mental health training should be able to handle this kid.

No, they all want their kid in normal kid classes so they can disrupt the normal kid's school day

That's a particularly uncharitable explanation.

Federal law establishes the right of children with a disability to a free and appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment.

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We had a child like this at our school (not MD) who was disruptive and sexual with the little girls at this age. the school sent him home constantly. Finally the parents put him in a SN private school. For time to time he would go to events at the public -- it always ended the same way. Finally they just asked him not to attend events anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:No the rest of the kids learn compassion and empathy - unlike their parents. Perhaps that's what's wrong with the country nowadays - not enough compassion and empathy. Too much what's in it for me and mine. Like not getting your children vaccinated. Not wanting to pay for good public schools or public school lunches. Just not caring about anyone other than your circle of friends and family.

Maybe the kids should be learning English and math. Maybe that is what's wrong with the country nowadays.

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Or not.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/06/most-kids-believe-that-achievement-trumps-empathy/373378/

How can one expect a 10 year old to have compassion and show empathy if he/she is being bitten or touched inappropriately? "Excuse me Bobby, please don't touch my breasts today. Are you having an "off" day" ??

seriously you cancompassion and still have consequences especially for a kid who is sexually harassing his peers.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling I know the answer to this, but would welcome any experiences any of you have had with a very, very bad, disruptive child in your son/daughter's class.

My 10 year old DD has a boy in her class with many problems. I am certain he is on medication of some sort. 4th grade and one of the schools in the Whitman district.

The boy is completely disruptive and rude in class and has been all year. Blocks my daughter from getting into her locker on occasion. Pats girls on the rear end. Makes inappropropriate remarks to other kids.."you have big boobs" etc. Has bitten someone on the playground.

My daughter tells me about instances where he disrupts teaching on a daily basis. Yesterday, music was ruined when he began burping loudly. THe principal actually came into the room and asked him to accompany him to the front office and the kid refused!! After some back and forth, the entire class had to be moved to another room so that the kid could be handled by the principal (since he refused to get up and move) The poor teachers seem not to know what to do.

THis is only a sampling of what goes on.

Parents are on to this child and are tired of his constant disruptions in class and interference with teaching and learning. He does yell out swear words in class too.

When is enough enough? When is a child expelled or told to go elsewhere? Ever? Is this ever done anymore? What are you experiences? IN my day, long long ago, a teacher actually would grab you and make you sit in the corner or out in the hallway, or go to the principal to be paddled. Yes, paddled. The poor teachers are powerless to this child and cannot lift a finger.


Thanks!

This is not a "bad kid", this is a child that needs intervention and therapy. And what makes you so certain he's on medication "of some sort"?

Could be a neurological disorder, and mental disabilities are just as real as physical disabilities. I think you should be more compassionate however I also think you need to speak with the principal directly to make sure that the issue is being managed as its disrupting the rest of the school population. Don't expect her to give you details though, its not your business.

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Anonymous wrote:Compassion does not equal excuses. I have a graduate degree in Social Work and like to think that I can understand the difficulties faced by some children (either environmental or organic). But not all problems are "special needs" or pathologies. Sometimes families exist with chaos or do not provide parenting, but compassion for a child in this situation is teaching them appropriate behavior and raising expectations. This will allow them to make friends, learn in school and maybe sometime hold down a job. A ten year old is fully capable of manipulating situations and asserting control. None of us can know which it is. But whether this child has true pathologies or is just misbehaving does not mean that we should ignore the impact on everyone else in that classroom. There does come a time when that child's needs must be balanced with the needs of 30 other kids and the teacher. Some kids should not be mainstreamed.

I am one of the PPs who advocates Compassion and Empathy, and I still fully agree with the above.

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The system is failing both kids here. The child is not necessarily bad, but clearly has problems with boundaries and self control. He really has to learn these skills now of je doesn't want to end up in prison. I say this as a mother of a child with similar issues, although not as extreme and younger. Like a PP said, I can't understand why this child has not had a functional behavioral assesesent done by the County (not the school) and likely a aide to shadow him and assist him with peer interactions and temper triggers.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the district have special ed classes or special schools for kids with this sort of problem. Spec ed teachers with mental health training should be able to handle this kid.

No, they all want their kid in normal kid classes so they can disrupt the normal kid's school day

That's a particularly uncharitable explanation.

Federal law establishes the right of children with a disability to a free and appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment.

At the cost of the rest of the students and the teacher who already has her hands full with 25 kids and no help.

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Anonymous wrote:We had a child like this at our school (not MD) who was disruptive and sexual with the little girls at this age. the school sent him home constantly. Finally the parents put him in a SN private school. For time to time he would go to events at the public -- it always ended the same way. Finally they just asked him not to attend events anymore.

These are the kids you are going to read about in the newspaper someday.

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HI. I am the OP. I know he is on medication because he tells the other kids. Also, no aide has been assigned to him.

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Anonymous wrote:At what point can you just call the police and tell them your child has been assaulted? Because that's what's happening.

If a child is sexually assaulted you would absolutely call the police ... Have we learned nothing from the college campus sexual assault cases.

But.... This is most likely not a sexual assault.. It just sounds better if you say it is a sexual assault.

What is your definition of sexual assault? Any unwanted sexual contact? That applies here.

Then call the police if you are certain what happened was a sexual assault.

I know if I thought my child was sexually assaulted I would call the police, not debate the definition on a web board.

I agree with you. I would definitely call the police if there was a boy in DD's 4th grade class who had repeatedly patted her on the a**.

However, I still feel that there should be a strong, no tolerance policy across MCPS saying that that type of behavior will result in expulsion. If there have been X number of incidents, the student needs to be out of the school.

What is MCPS policy on this? I think that's what OP is asking. At what point DOES the student get suspended? If you can answer that clearly, that will address the OP's post.

If the child is sexually abusing students and is arrested for sexual abuse that will probably result in expulsion.

If the kids is just annoying and says inappropriate things he won't be expelled.

Can you provide us (and OP) with a link delineating this policy?

I'd be interested in knowing how they deal with sexual harassment issues (versus sexual assualt).