If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but

[Anonymous]

Zbigniew Brzezinksi (Carter's former National Security Advisor) on Netanyahu's destruction of Israel's standing in the international community:

"I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that.

Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza, which is so lethal.

I think he is isolating Israel. He's endangering its longer-range future. And I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N.[i]"

When Israel comes crushing down, as it will, the Israeli Jews will only have themselves to blame for having elected fascits as leaders who only know how to kill and maim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Really?? First of all, Israel called it a rogue operation until 1998. What kind of apology is that? Second, exactly how would one argue that the sentence was out of proportion? He handed over 1 million documents, enough to fill a six by 10 foot room floor to ceiling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Really?? First of all, Israel called it a rogue operation until 1998. What kind of apology is that? Second, exactly how would one argue that the sentence was out of proportion? He handed over 1 million documents, enough to fill a six by 10 foot room floor to ceiling.

PP here. Look at the article I linked. It shows the specific apology. As for the sentence being out of proportion, it was spying by an ally and a life sentence, although I do not have an opinion on the Pollard spying sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Really?? First of all, Israel called it a rogue operation until 1998. What kind of apology is that? Second, exactly how would one argue that the sentence was out of proportion? He handed over 1 million documents, enough to fill a six by 10 foot room floor to ceiling.

PP here. Look at the article I linked. It shows the specific apology. As for the sentence being out of proportion, it was spying by an ally and a life sentence, although I do not have an opinion on the Pollard spying sentence.

I read the article, it's not much of an apology. You can quote it back to me and point out what I missed. I read in your source that it was a regrettable act by a rogue person not high up, and that they hoped to repair our relationship because it was an isolated incident. That wasn't in fact the case, as they admitted in 1998.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Really?? First of all, Israel called it a rogue operation until 1998. What kind of apology is that? Second, exactly how would one argue that the sentence was out of proportion? He handed over 1 million documents, enough to fill a six by 10 foot room floor to ceiling.

PP here. Look at the article I linked. It shows the specific apology. As for the sentence being out of proportion, it was spying by an ally and a life sentence, although I do not have an opinion on the Pollard spying sentence.

I read the article, it's not much of an apology. You can quote it back to me and point out what I missed. I read in your source that it was a regrettable act by a rogue person not high up, and that they hoped to repair our relationship because it was an isolated incident. That wasn't in fact the case, as they admitted in 1998.

The article says that Shimon Peres said "[Israel] committed a mistake, a regrettable mistake". Also, the incident is referred to as "initiated on our part."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Really?? First of all, Israel called it a rogue operation until 1998. What kind of apology is that? Second, exactly how would one argue that the sentence was out of proportion? He handed over 1 million documents, enough to fill a six by 10 foot room floor to ceiling.

PP here. Look at the article I linked. It shows the specific apology. As for the sentence being out of proportion, it was spying by an ally and a life sentence, although I do not have an opinion on the Pollard spying sentence.

I read the article, it's not much of an apology. You can quote it back to me and point out what I missed. I read in your source that it was a regrettable act by a rogue person not high up, and that they hoped to repair our relationship because it was an isolated incident. That wasn't in fact the case, as they admitted in 1998.

The article says that Shimon Peres said "[Israel] committed a mistake, a regrettable mistake". Also, the incident is referred to as "initiated on our part."

You left out the part where he said "it was done without the knowledge of the political authority", which turned out to be a lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lekem

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/12/world/israel-now-admits-pollard-was-its-agent.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Did not Israel exchange those Pollard documents with the USSR for Russian Jews to emigrate? So in effect our supposedly staunchest alley spied on us in favor of our then number one enemy. Sweet. Like I said, Israel is not our friend and ally. Israel is for Israel only. That's okay, I don't have a problem with that, but stop spewing that bs propaganda. And I am still waiting, not anxiously, to read how Israel has benefitted the US of A.

[Anonymous]

Pollard should be hung and there are high up ex IC officials I know that agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Did not Israel exchange those Pollard documents with the USSR for Russian Jews to emigrate? So in effect our supposedly staunchest alley spied on us in favor of our then number one enemy. Sweet. Like I said, Israel is not our friend and ally. Israel is for Israel only. That's okay, I don't have a problem with that, but stop spewing that bs propaganda. And I am still waiting, not anxiously, to read how Israel has benefitted the US of A.

Enough evidence has been provided in previous threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Did not Israel exchange those Pollard documents with the USSR for Russian Jews to emigrate? So in effect our supposedly staunchest alley spied on us in favor of our then number one enemy. Sweet. Like I said, Israel is not our friend and ally. Israel is for Israel only. That's okay, I don't have a problem with that, but stop spewing that bs propaganda. And I am still waiting, not anxiously, to read how Israel has benefitted the US of A.

Enough evidence has been provided in previous threads.

Apparently our society will collapse if we no longer have access to their generic drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.

Israel did apologize, the pressuring is due to the length of the sentence, which some believe is out of proportion, Sheinbein thought he would be free in Israel, but Israel sentenced him anyway, saying the IDF is a terrorist group is like saying the US Army is a terrorist group, and our support of Israel is just one reason they are against us among many (e.g. being the major power and a convenient boogeyman, backing the shah, etc.).

Did not Israel exchange those Pollard documents with the USSR for Russian Jews to emigrate? So in effect our supposedly staunchest alley spied on us in favor of our then number one enemy. Sweet. Like I said, Israel is not our friend and ally. Israel is for Israel only. That's okay, I don't have a problem with that, but stop spewing that bs propaganda. And I am still waiting, not anxiously, to read how Israel has benefitted the US of A.

Enough evidence has been provided in previous threads.

Apparently our society will collapse if we no longer have access to their generic drugs.

We can get them for less money from India now.

[Anonymous]

Pollard may have garnered apologies but the Israeli intelligence program against the U.S. continues unabated. I don't know about you, but in my language the apology means "I am not going to do it again."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good article about the Israeli psyche and how the Israeli Jews justify their own crimes against humanity.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/20/gaza-occupation-occupier-israelis-peace

Thanks for posting! I see that warped mindset in my friends.
They are totally dehumanizing the Palestinian civilians in their heads.
It is mind boggling to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Arabs had a country in1948 and decided to wage war on Israel. Had they lived in peace with Israel when they had their Palestine, there would not be the problem we face today. The Arabs had Palestine and gave it up due to their greed.

Check on old map - the WHOLE country was Palestine. Israel did not exist until after WWII. It did not exist until we made it so.

So, then should we give a country to the African Americans in the US because they were slaves? You know, maybe kick everybody out of Cameroon and give it to them (if they'd want it, probably not)? Isn't west africa the homeland for a lot of African Americans, so it's like theirs anyway? I mean come on - this line of thinking is really freaking absurd. I cannot think of anyplace other than the US itself where people came and just kicked the indigenous people the hell out (like we did to the native americans, and then gave them a few scraps/reservations). By force.