UVA McIntire vs UGA Terry

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Both are flawed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Don't disagree...but they should consider still ranking all these schools and maybe color code them all the same and just indicate that they had to apply some of their own analysis to solve for lack of data.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Agree the U.S. News rankings are a joke, not only because of methodology but because they have an extremely low response rate

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

Unless something recently has changed this is not the case. The accounting prerequisites are tough weed outs and many people don't get in the B school. I don't know what the admissions rate is but it is below 100%.

My kid is currently a junior at Wake. For her class, who applied to the business major last year, the acceptance rate was indeed below 60 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

Unless something recently has changed this is not the case. The accounting prerequisites are tough weed outs and many people don't get in the B school. I don't know what the admissions rate is but it is below 100%.

My kid is currently a junior at Wake. For her class, who applied to the business major last year, the acceptance rate was indeed below 60 percent.

Adding that like UVA, kids who don’t get the business school generally become Econ majors.

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Anonymous wrote:This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

I don’t understand why they don’t make the commerce school larger than 365 students per year. Anyone have insight on why they don’t double or triple the commerce school?

Probably because a liberal arts education is important and they don't want to ruin an amazing university by falling for this narrative that an undergraduate business degree is something everyone should get. They keep it selective and make it so that it is actually valuable to the small group in the program.

Seriously, go learn how to write and think critically in college and then get an MBA. The obsession with undergrad business degrees out there is insane. Everything they are teaching you will be done by AI soon, and you are missing out on the chance to intellectually better yourself and become good at analysis. Study philosophy, poli/sci, English, or something that provides access to important texts and theories and forces you to learn how to research, write, think, etc. Employers will be far more impressed. Then get an MBA or a JD. I have worked at top law firms and with top executives for years--not a ton of undergrad business majors in those crowds.

You can't believe AI will replace everything they are teaching BBA undergrads...and then in the same breadth encourage an MBA or JD...when nearly every headline these days is how AI is going to decimate the JD and MBA market (in addition to CS, creative fields, et al).

Fair enough. So pivot once that is clear with a foundation. No one cares if you took 4 Accounting classes -- most smart people can learn all of that content in a few weeks and it is not a particularly intellectual exercise. Success will lie in who knows how to think, write, and communicate ideas.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

Unless something recently has changed this is not the case. The accounting prerequisites are tough weed outs and many people don't get in the B school. I don't know what the admissions rate is but it is below 100%.

My kid is currently a junior at Wake. For her class, who applied to the business major last year, the acceptance rate was indeed below 60 percent.

Wake is kind of like rolling admission. Just because you are not accepted say by Spring of Sophomore year, you can re-apply the following semester. Like 90% eventually do get accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

I don’t understand why they don’t make the commerce school larger than 365 students per year. Anyone have insight on why they don’t double or triple the commerce school?

Probably because a liberal arts education is important and they don't want to ruin an amazing university by falling for this narrative that an undergraduate business degree is something everyone should get. They keep it selective and make it so that it is actually valuable to the small group in the program.

Seriously, go learn how to write and think critically in college and then get an MBA. The obsession with undergrad business degrees out there is insane. Everything they are teaching you will be done by AI soon, and you are missing out on the chance to intellectually better yourself and become good at analysis. Study philosophy, poli/sci, English, or something that provides access to important texts and theories and forces you to learn how to research, write, think, etc. Employers will be far more impressed. Then get an MBA or a JD. I have worked at top law firms and with top executives for years--not a ton of undergrad business majors in those crowds.

You can't believe AI will replace everything they are teaching BBA undergrads...and then in the same breadth encourage an MBA or JD...when nearly every headline these days is how AI is going to decimate the JD and MBA market (in addition to CS, creative fields, et al).

Fair enough. So pivot once that is clear with a foundation. No one cares if you took 4 Accounting classes -- most smart people can learn all of that content in a few weeks and it is not a particularly intellectual exercise. Success will lie in who knows how to think, write, and communicate ideas.

You seem to be referring to a fairly small subset of jobs in investment banking of consulting or PE where they will hire the Harvard history major and then teach them accounting. I get that...but there really aren't that many jobs in the grand scheme of things in those companies (and there are a not insignificant number of smaller firms that in fact want only Wharton, Stern, et al grads because they don't have extensive training programs). Understand of course they will only hire history majors from like 10-15 schools and then train them on accounting, finance et al.

However, there are companies hiring millions of accountants who in fact aren't spending time hiring kids who don't have an accounting background. At least right now, there is still a big shortage of accountants. Even if you are correct that they could teach a smart kid accounting...you agree it's not intellectually stimulating so why would they bother with someone who shows no interest in the field?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

Unless something recently has changed this is not the case. The accounting prerequisites are tough weed outs and many people don't get in the B school. I don't know what the admissions rate is but it is below 100%.

My kid is currently a junior at Wake. For her class, who applied to the business major last year, the acceptance rate was indeed below 60 percent.

Wake is kind of like rolling admission. Just because you are not accepted say by Spring of Sophomore year, you can re-apply the following semester. Like 90% eventually do get accepted.

I’ve never heard that and my kid attends Wake. Most kids aren’t even on campus the following semester, they are taking a pass/fail semester abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Both are flawed.

All rankings are flawed, but at least Poets and Quants works to get useful data.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Both are flawed.

All rankings are flawed, but at least Poets and Quants works to get useful data.

That’s fine if that’s your opinion.

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I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

Sounds like UVA might not be a better school after all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

Sounds like UVA might not be a better school after all.

No, the better schools do not do direct admit because they do t have to and because they want to deject from a more mature student body = a better reputation. Google why top tier business schools do not auto-admit and you will read: “Top-tier business schools do not use automatic admission because their admissions process is based on a holistic evaluation of a candidate's potential to succeed and contribute to the school's reputation, rather than just academic metrics. Because these institutions are highly selective, with demand far exceeding the limited spots available, they rely on a rigorous, selective process to build a diverse, high-performing cohort.

Here is why top business schools do not have auto-admit:

(It goes on)

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Yes. Poets and Quants ranks UVA business no 4 in the nation