UVA McIntire vs UGA Terry

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

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Anonymous wrote:This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

I don’t understand why they don’t make the commerce school larger than 365 students per year. Anyone have insight on why they don’t double or triple the commerce school?

Probably because a liberal arts education is important and they don't want to ruin an amazing university by falling for this narrative that an undergraduate business degree is something everyone should get. They keep it selective and make it so that it is actually valuable to the small group in the program.

Seriously, go learn how to write and think critically in college and then get an MBA. The obsession with undergrad business degrees out there is insane. Everything they are teaching you will be done by AI soon, and you are missing out on the chance to intellectually better yourself and become good at analysis. Study philosophy, poli/sci, English, or something that provides access to important texts and theories and forces you to learn how to research, write, think, etc. Employers will be far more impressed. Then get an MBA or a JD. I have worked at top law firms and with top executives for years--not a ton of undergrad business majors in those crowds.

You can't believe AI will replace everything they are teaching BBA undergrads...and then in the same breadth encourage an MBA or JD...when nearly every headline these days is how AI is going to decimate the JD and MBA market (in addition to CS, creative fields, et al).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

Completely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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And far less than 20 spots separate UVA and UGA when comparing public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

Completely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

Completely disagree. To our family, 20 spots is significant. I guess every family needs to decide how these schools compare.

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20 spots is irrelevant if you can't study what you want to study when you get there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

Completely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

Completely disagree. To our family, 20 spots is significant. I guess every family needs to decide how these schools compare.

Your family needs to research how the rankings work a little more. The broad categories matter such as national university, which is what UVA and UGA both are. Both are within the Top 20 of national public universities. They are in the same category and within 20 slots. There are thousands of colleges in the US spread across different categories. If you REALLY believe there is a big difference in this case, you’re either naive or obtuse. If you wanted to argue that UVA is different from Mississippi State, which is outside the T100, you might have a point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

The ranking being talked about is national public universities in which both are T20. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You think only 133 colleges offer undergraduate business?