UVA McIntire vs UGA Terry

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

The ranking being talked about is national public universities in which both are T20. Try to keep up.

Actually, we were talking about the national ranking- 26 vs 46. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

Completely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

Then go ahead and send your kid to UGA. Why do you care that other people think UVA is significantly better? You do you. Go Dawgs!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

The ranking being talked about is national public universities in which both are T20. Try to keep up.

Actually, we were talking about the national ranking- 26 vs 46. Keep up.

Another insignificant difference. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

Completely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

Then go ahead and send your kid to UGA. Why do you care that other people think UVA is significantly better? You do you. Go Dawgs!

You can think whatever you want but the ranking isn’t significantly different. Go Dawgs!

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Probably better internships and jobs are UGA.

uVa students spend most of their time talking about Bodo’s Bagels.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

This isn’t true, Wake undergrad business acceptance rate is 50 to 60 percent and two of the prerequisite are weed outs.

Sorry…your facts are way off. Wake is basically 100%…if you don’t get in sophomore year, you will get in as a junior.

Wake admin even tells you this when you go to an admissions session.

Unless something recently has changed this is not the case. The accounting prerequisites are tough weed outs and many people don't get in the B school. I don't know what the admissions rate is but it is below 100%.

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And the list you posted is based entirely on a survey sent to deans. It’s a popularity contest. Bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:And the list you posted is based entirely on a survey sent to deans. It’s a popularity contest. Bullshit.

I’m not the one who said UVA was #4 at USNWR for undergraduate business. Just correcting false statements.

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Go Dawgs. Plenty of Terry grads out there enjoying great opportunities and living good lives. Need to get out of your Northeast/Mid-Atlantic bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

lol no they don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

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2026 USNWR Top 20 Undergraduate Business Programs

Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Pennsylvania
University of California, Berkeley
University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
New York University
Carnegie Mellon University
The University of Texas--Austin
Cornell University
Indiana University--Bloomington
University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
University of Southern California
Emory University
Georgetown University
The Ohio State University
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
Notre Dame
University of Virginia
Washington University in St. Louis
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Georgia

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

Obviously someone cares or else the top public universities list wouldn’t exist.

Sure. UGA boosters.

Sure. And boosters of every other T20 public including UVa boosters.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.