UVA McIntire vs UGA Terry

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can everyone minor in business at UVA or do you have to apply and be accepted in the minor as well?

anyone can minor in Commerce.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

My DC and 99% of his friends are applying for business at all colleges this year. His favorite school is definitely UVA, but may end up elsewhere because of the uncertainty around the business school. UVA needs to expand seats in McIntire A LOT if they want to attract the top students. They probably need to go to direct admit like Michigan, Wharton, Dyson, USC, Berkeley, etc. if they want to compete.

Just FYI, but the "application" business programs at places like Emory, Wake Forest and some other privates aren't anything like UVA. You just have to take like 4 required pre-reqs (or test out through AP or taking the college placement test) and maintain like a 3.2 GPA and then they accept everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Can everyone minor in business at UVA or do you have to apply and be accepted in the minor as well?

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Pretty much any UVA undergraduate can do a McIntire “business minor,” but there are a couple important restrictions.
General Business Minor (the common “business minor”)
Open to all UVA undergrads / all majors as long as you are not in the B.S. in Commerce program and you haven’t declared another McIntire minor.
No application — it’s a declaration once you meet the requirements.
To declare, you need:
COMM 1800 completed, and
two of the four core CGBM courses completed.
Timing notes: COMM 1800 can start in 1st year, but you must be at least a 2nd-year to take the CGBM core courses.
McIntire also explicitly says it offers its minors to all UVA undergraduate students (with the program-specific rules above).
If you tell me what school you’re in (College, Engineering, etc.) and what year you are, I can map out the fastest way to fit COMM 1800 + the core courses into your schedule.

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Anonymous wrote:The big issue is that only like 50% of kids get accepted into McIntire while I believe basically everyone who maintains a decent GPA gets into Terry.

Basically, your kid has a 5th year of all the high school bullshit for UVA.

UGA no surprise has a strong network in Atlanta and the southeast. Not so much on Wall Street and the northeast…though if you network like crazy (and yes…consider a fraternity), not out of the realm.

Do you have a cite for any of this?

Just do a Google search. It will govern you the AI summary from the UVA website and a link. Same for UGA.

Says UVA has a 50-60% internal acceptance rate while UGA is 90%.

I’ll pass on an AI summary but would appreciate links from the actual websites. The higher odds of getting in would seem like a good thing if it’s true.

Actually AI SAYS….

Undergraduate Acceptance Rates
UVA McIntire School of Commerce: The internal acceptance rate for current UVA students is approximately 51%. Because the school is highly ranked (#4 nationally), it is extremely selective, with admitted students averaging a 3.78 cumulative GPA.

UGA Terry College of Business: The acceptance rate for the fall 2024 incoming class was 43%. Admission is based heavily on a "pre-business" GPA and standardized testing (ACT/SAT or the Terry ETS Major Field Test)

Internal acceptance into the University of Georgia’s Terry College of Business is highly competitive, generally estimated between 80% and 90% for qualified students, though specific major demands vary. Admission is not guaranteed, and competitive majors like Accounting and MIS are harder to enter than others.

Target Acceptance Rate: While not officially published by UGA, student reports and discussions suggest an 80-90% admission rate for applicants meeting requirements, often relying on GPA and a statement of purpose.

Note: The figures in the search results referring to 35%–45% acceptance rates (e.g., from The Princeton Review and Wikipedia) generally refer to the competitive Terry MBA program, not the internal undergraduate admission

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This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

UVA offers a data science minor, too.

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Anonymous wrote:This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

I don’t understand why they don’t make the commerce school larger than 365 students per year. Anyone have insight on why they don’t double or triple the commerce school?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

Perhaps for the Masters program, but I don't think that's correct for the undergraduate degree. They're also doubling the size of that school this year.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

UVA offers a data science minor, too.

That is open to all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

UVA offers a data science minor, too.

That is open to all?

You could google that.

https://datascience.virginia.edu/degrees/info/declare-data-science-minor
The Minor in Data Science is open to students from all backgrounds, majors, and schools of enrollment. There is no application or prerequisites, and entry to the minor is not competitive.

[Anonymous]

Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid is going to UVA you really need to be ok from the start with a economics major vs. McIntire. Mctire admit rate is now around 40% and there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that determines that 40%--it's not just top grades. There are athletes that get in with lower grades, racial and gender balancing, etc. Then they say that business clubs don't matter but they clearly do and admissions to the clubs are all just a massive "who you know" and in many cases have a 2-3% acceptance rate.

Econ at UVA has very good recruitment to Wall Street but you have to be ok with studying econ for 4 years. The major has entirely different classes than McIntire and there isn't anything like marketing. You're studying......economics. Look at the courses for the econ major and see if they're things your kid would be interested in taking.

OP here. This is exactly what he didn’t like about UVA. It just seems like it’s become a brutal rat race for Commerce.

Data Science is another great option at UVA.

But Data Science is just like commerce: requires an application at the end of first year (the only entry point) and has a low internal acceptance rate. We toured last year and they said it was 30-40%.

My child is a first year and is taking the pre-recs for Commerce and Data Science and is hoping for one.

It's a lot to keep all these balls in the air, get good grades in all, etc in freshman year. My kid took 18 hours fall and spring to get it all doen plus the other gen eds and some STEM courses in case neither Comm or Data Science work out. They are working really hard and it's made freshman year a complete grind.

Perhaps for the Masters program, but I don't think that's correct for the undergraduate degree. They're also doubling the size of that school this year.

Cite? This is great news

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This year 1527 out of 3985 UVA first years (freshmen) took the pre-rec commerce class. There are 365 spots for rising second year current students in McIntire.

So if all these kids apply it will be a 24% admit rate. They won't all apply so it will probably be somewhere in the 30s.

I don’t understand why they don’t make the commerce school larger than 365 students per year. Anyone have insight on why they don’t double or triple the commerce school?

Probably because a liberal arts education is important and they don't want to ruin an amazing university by falling for this narrative that an undergraduate business degree is something everyone should get. They keep it selective and make it so that it is actually valuable to the small group in the program.

Seriously, go learn how to write and think critically in college and then get an MBA. The obsession with undergrad business degrees out there is insane. Everything they are teaching you will be done by AI soon, and you are missing out on the chance to intellectually better yourself and become good at analysis. Study philosophy, poli/sci, English, or something that provides access to important texts and theories and forces you to learn how to research, write, think, etc. Employers will be far more impressed. Then get an MBA or a JD. I have worked at top law firms and with top executives for years--not a ton of undergrad business majors in those crowds.