Holton parents - you have got to help your girls out with these skirts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They roll up the waist of the skirt. If adults are not around to get them in trouble for this. The girls intentionally make their skirt much shorter. Clearly worse now but they've been doing it to their uniform skirts for 50+ years.

Did you look at the website? The first thing you see is girls in teeny tiny short skirts. Looks like they are meant to be that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we toured Holton last year, my daughter thought that the uber-short skirts and rules against wearing pants until winter contradicted the school’s messaging about empowering girls. She chose a different (co-ed) school where we see a variety of skirt and shorts lengths, as well as plenty of girls wearing sweatpants, joggers and jeans.

Wait, so the school rule is all young ladies must show their thighs daily until it snows? Who exactly is in charge of this rule and the uniform choice? Please don't tell me a man is Head of School or I'll vomit.

I think you're allowed to wear pants under the skirt. There's plenty of pictures showing HA girls wearing jeans and baggy sweatshirts under the skirt, which I think is just as bizarre as wearing a too short skirt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is not a single Holton girl not wearing shorts under their skirts. Not one. So settle down.

2. It’s all the schools, not just Holton. Why? Because that’s what they do. We did it 20 years ago when I was at private school with a uniform skirts. This isn’t new.

3. Mind your own business, Linda. It’s not your job to police the clothing of girls.

While I agree that girls at lots of schools roll or hem their skirts to wear them short, I was a little surprised when I looked at the website. Yes I've seen girls from other schools dressed that way. But I've never seen a school showcase it in this way. Look at websites and Instagram pages for other private schools -- none of them feature photos of the girls in super short skirts. I'm sure it happens, it's just not advertised. Visi has a very similar uniform but none of the photos on the website show girls with super short skirts. Same with Stone Ridge.

Of course the girls are going to do with they do, but the community could treat it a little less as an expected behavior, and they could also be more thoughtful about their selection of photos. Not because the girls are doing something the rest of us should be policing, but because do we really need more photos of teen girls in ultra short skirts online? Especially on a website that is supposed to be about educating young women? It's weird.

If we were talking about photos the girls themselves posted, I'd endorse your whole comment. This isn't our business. But that website is bizarre.

As an outsider it’s very weird and makes me question what is going on at that school. If I were a parent with a daughter there I’d be asking some questions. The fact that photo is in their school website speaks volumes. Sexual abuse happens and I wouldn’t be comfortable with a school that supports minors wearing this type of clothing. The fact it’s on their website tells me it’s normalized and that’s not good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we toured Holton last year, my daughter thought that the uber-short skirts and rules against wearing pants until winter contradicted the school’s messaging about empowering girls. She chose a different (co-ed) school where we see a variety of skirt and shorts lengths, as well as plenty of girls wearing sweatpants, joggers and jeans.

Wait, so the school rule is all young ladies must show their thighs daily until it snows? Who exactly is in charge of this rule and the uniform choice? Please don't tell me a man is Head of School or I'll vomit.

I think you're allowed to wear pants under the skirt. There's plenty of pictures showing HA girls wearing jeans and baggy sweatshirts under the skirt, which I think is just as bizarre as wearing a too short skirt.

Yes later in the year they start wearing the skirts as literal belts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is not a single Holton girl not wearing shorts under their skirts. Not one. So settle down.

2. It’s all the schools, not just Holton. Why? Because that’s what they do. We did it 20 years ago when I was at private school with a uniform skirts. This isn’t new.

3. Mind your own business, Linda. It’s not your job to police the clothing of girls.

I don't think it is all of the schools. The Stone Ridge skirts look normal.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKAMfCZzLco/?img_index=7

And NCS. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJKw4vqJgb6/?hl=en&img_index=1

SJC looks fine. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ4xVqxMLH5/?hl=en

You’re wrong. It is. I could also go cherry pick photos that show Holton girls with skirts lengths you personally deem appropriate, but I’m smart enough to know that’s not proof of anything (notwithstanding the short skit I wore to my own private school on 1995).

What about the respective school websites, thought? I looked around Stone Ridge and NCS and could only find a single picture of too short shorts, not a school uniform: https://www.ncs.org/campus-life/global-education

All the other pictures I see don't even show the bottom half of the girls, more of them sitting at desks and working, or group pictures of them dressed appropriately. Makes the HA landing page look even weirder by contrast.

It’s very creepy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They roll up the waist of the skirt. If adults are not around to get them in trouble for this. The girls intentionally make their skirt much shorter. Clearly worse now but they've been doing it to their uniform skirts for 50+ years.

Did you look at the website? The first thing you see is girls in teeny tiny short skirts. Looks like they are meant to be that way.

Right? “If adults are not around to get them in trouble.” Like the adults who choose photos and post them on their website? Certainly doesn’t seem like they object.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. It's a private school. Choose a different school if it bothers you so much. Go to a different coffeeshop. Stop policing girls' and women's bodies!

But that's what the school is doing by requiring these tiny skirts and not even allowing the girls to wear pants. They have to wear the skirts in the winter even, with pants under. It's so bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Found an old thread about this exact same issue: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/423798.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. It's a private school. Choose a different school if it bothers you so much. Go to a different coffeeshop. Stop policing girls' and women's bodies!

Go to a different coffee shop? Really? How about all people stop exposing themselves in public? It's not OK for the unhoused elderly man and it's not OK for the teenage girl. People don't want to be mooned in public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. It's a private school. Choose a different school if it bothers you so much. Go to a different coffeeshop. Stop policing girls' and women's bodies!

But that's what the school is doing by requiring these tiny skirts and not even allowing the girls to wear pants. They have to wear the skirts in the winter even, with pants under. It's so bizarre.

I hadn’t even considered that the school is requiring the shorts to be this short! Awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is filled with misogyny. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I hope it gets deleted.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Please educate yourself on why commenting on women’s clothing choices, especially those of young women and girls, unnecessarily sexualizes them and prohibits them from expressing themselves, being comfortable, or having autonomy over their bodies for fear of what others, especially boys and men might think. There are a million articles out there. Here’s one:
https://registerforum.org/15176/opinion/clothing-is-not-the-problem-misogyny-is/

None of that supports a crowd getting mooned in a coffee shop.

[Anonymous]

Are their male teachers at the school? I am wondering if they are somehow going along with this for their viewing pleasure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is not a single Holton girl not wearing shorts under their skirts. Not one. So settle down.

2. It’s all the schools, not just Holton. Why? Because that’s what they do. We did it 20 years ago when I was at private school with a uniform skirts. This isn’t new.

3. Mind your own business, Linda. It’s not your job to police the clothing of girls.

I don't think it is all of the schools. The Stone Ridge skirts look normal.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKAMfCZzLco/?img_index=7

And NCS. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJKw4vqJgb6/?hl=en&img_index=1

SJC looks fine. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ4xVqxMLH5/?hl=en

You’re wrong. It is. I could also go cherry pick photos that show Holton girls with skirts lengths you personally deem appropriate, but I’m smart enough to know that’s not proof of anything (notwithstanding the short skit I wore to my own private school on 1995).

None of them push it like Holton. It's the first image on the front page of their website. This is what's insane, PP. Policing what one teen wants to wear is one thing, but an institution composed of adult men and women openly encouraging them is quite another.

Some people call it grooming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. It's a private school. Choose a different school if it bothers you so much. Go to a different coffeeshop. Stop policing girls' and women's bodies!

But that's what the school is doing by requiring these tiny skirts and not even allowing the girls to wear pants. They have to wear the skirts in the winter even, with pants under. It's so bizarre.

I hadn’t even considered that the school is requiring the shorts to be this short! Awful.

Huh? Even if they are required to wear skirts, they are not required to be that short. Google says "no higher than 5 inches above the knee." Which already sounds kind of short to shortlegged me, but I'm a prude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.holton-arms.edu/about/our-mission

Fit for the old reddit/r/jailbait

It's Holton-Legs Academy!

This school is run by perverts!

Well, that's not too far from the truth, honestly.