Holton parents - you have got to help your girls out with these skirts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

Did she/you alter the length of her skirt after you bought it? Does she roll the waistband?

If so, then she cares.

[Anonymous]

It’s not skit shaming to think 14 year olds headed to school shouldn’t be sticking their uncovered rear ends in the faces of the unwilling public. Most of us want no part of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

So if she's indifferent, is her skirt long or rolled?

I’m focused on her academics, her community contribution, her well-being. Not on the length of her skirt. So frankly, I’ve never examined it. But it looks reasonable to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

No one wants to see their underwear. I don’t think that’s a big ask.

[Anonymous]

This thread has really gone off the rails. Point taken: some people don’t like the skirts, others think it’s fine. Can we stop now please? These are, after all, girls we are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

No one wants to see their underwear. I don’t think that’s a big ask.

They all wear shorts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. There is not a single Holton girl not wearing shorts under their skirts. Not one. So settle down.

2. It’s all the schools, not just Holton. Why? Because that’s what they do. We did it 20 years ago when I was at private school with a uniform skirts. This isn’t new.

3. Mind your own business, Linda. It’s not your job to police the clothing of girls.

While I agree that girls at lots of schools roll or hem their skirts to wear them short, I was a little surprised when I looked at the website. Yes I've seen girls from other schools dressed that way. But I've never seen a school showcase it in this way. Look at websites and Instagram pages for other private schools -- none of them feature photos of the girls in super short skirts. I'm sure it happens, it's just not advertised. Visi has a very similar uniform but none of the photos on the website show girls with super short skirts. Same with Stone Ridge.

Of course the girls are going to do with they do, but the community could treat it a little less as an expected behavior, and they could also be more thoughtful about their selection of photos. Not because the girls are doing something the rest of us should be policing, but because do we really need more photos of teen girls in ultra short skirts online? Especially on a website that is supposed to be about educating young women? It's weird.

If we were talking about photos the girls themselves posted, I'd endorse your whole comment. This isn't our business. But that website is bizarre.

This. I’m far more surprised and disappointed in the website and the school that is publicizing and normalizing that outfit. Girls are always going to roll their skirts, but it’s usually something that is breaking the rules — however strictly or poorly they are enforced. Here, those short skirts aren’t being hidden or something the girls are “getting away with,” but something the school is advertising front and center.

Back in the day, didn't students roll their waistbands after school? Seems like the teeny/tiny belt skirt is the correct uniform length for the school day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What astonishing body shaming, “slut
-shaming”, sexist BS on here. As a mother of a Holton US girl, I know her to be sensible, smart, and indifferent as to the shortness of her skirt or that of her peers. How they dress is irrelevant to their learning, work and potential. Commenting on what girls wear is such an old trope aimed at diminishing what really matters.

If you’re some incell perv (or trad wife) taking the time to write on here, maybe you should get some help rather than resorting to an anonymous board to trash hard-working female students. It’s challenging enough for girls to succeed in an ever male-dominated and male-defined world without possibly coming on here to this forum of diminution.

No one wants to see their underwear. I don’t think that’s a big ask.

They all wear shorts.

They do not. Not at the ice cream places. Not at the coffee shops.

[Anonymous]

I simply don’t understand these whack a dos so ardently defending the belt skirts as endorsed by the school and worn all around by young girls and women. What purpose do these naked skirts serve? Many of us who care have decided that our daughters won’t wear, for example, micro jean skirts or booty shorts. Many many many parents I know would not allow that to be worn to school and that would be a logical and sensible decision. Why are you trying to make this into a sexism/pedophile/slut shaming exercise? Why not just suggest to the school that they institute a normal standard re skirt length and under things? It’s bizarre, frankly.

[Anonymous]

I went to Holton over 2 decades ago and I think the skirts were pretty short then too, though I don't actually recall seeing anyone's underwear (I guess I didn't stare at my classmates a$$es too much so possible it was there and I didn't notice). Anyway it was very normalized. When that's what you see everyone else wearing it feels acceptable. Looking at the photo on the website, my first thought is yeah that is probably how some girls dress. And also why is this the photo they choose? It's weird. But probably they thought it looked better than the skirt over sweatpants look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I simply don’t understand these whack a dos so ardently defending the belt skirts as endorsed by the school and worn all around by young girls and women. What purpose do these naked skirts serve? Many of us who care have decided that our daughters won’t wear, for example, micro jean skirts or booty shorts. Many many many parents I know would not allow that to be worn to school and that would be a logical and sensible decision. Why are you trying to make this into a sexism/pedophile/slut shaming exercise? Why not just suggest to the school that they institute a normal standard re skirt length and under things? It’s bizarre, frankly.

Frankly, what you wrote reads bizarre to me. Who defines normal standard re skirt length? Maybe such a definition is
typical at a parochial school where church-defined “propriety” prevails. Not at a non-parochial private like HA.

[Anonymous]

We went for Open House last year and there were HS girls welcoming us with unbelievably short uniform skirts. DH was convinced they were cheerleading uniforms not school uniforms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD goes to Holton. I know the girls. Yes they are US. And they do tend to show certain girls for pix. Not a huge fan of that but whatever. My DD wears her skirt without rolling but there are very few who do this. Apparently rolled skirts are a requirement for popularity. Like no student council if your skirt is long. Agree it is ridiculous. But there are a handful that don’t care, at least.

Agree. And those who wear the skirt longer are called “Amish” by the other girls. And their mothers (not kidding - heard it first-hand from other mothers).

So much for that “vibrant community that values, supports, and nurtures the myriad identities and experiences that our students bring to this campus.”

Yes, and the parents that trash the way the girls decide to dress.

None of them would be in this situation if the school had normal uniform choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I simply don’t understand these whack a dos so ardently defending the belt skirts as endorsed by the school and worn all around by young girls and women. What purpose do these naked skirts serve? Many of us who care have decided that our daughters won’t wear, for example, micro jean skirts or booty shorts. Many many many parents I know would not allow that to be worn to school and that would be a logical and sensible decision. Why are you trying to make this into a sexism/pedophile/slut shaming exercise? Why not just suggest to the school that they institute a normal standard re skirt length and under things? It’s bizarre, frankly.

Frankly, what you wrote reads bizarre to me. Who defines normal standard re skirt length? Maybe such a definition is
typical at a parochial school where church-defined “propriety” prevails. Not at a non-parochial private like HA.

A school dress code is not just a religious school thing. Even most public schools have them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I simply don’t understand these whack a dos so ardently defending the belt skirts as endorsed by the school and worn all around by young girls and women. What purpose do these naked skirts serve? Many of us who care have decided that our daughters won’t wear, for example, micro jean skirts or booty shorts. Many many many parents I know would not allow that to be worn to school and that would be a logical and sensible decision. Why are you trying to make this into a sexism/pedophile/slut shaming exercise? Why not just suggest to the school that they institute a normal standard re skirt length and under things? It’s bizarre, frankly.

Frankly, what you wrote reads bizarre to me. Who defines normal standard re skirt length? Maybe such a definition is
typical at a parochial school where church-defined “propriety” prevails. Not at a non-parochial private like HA.

A school dress code is not just a religious school thing. Even most public schools have them.

Almost every school has them, religious or non. The skirts at holton would never be allowed at most public schools. Cheerleader skirts are longer.