Undocumented

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately border security/immigration enforcement has become an industry in this country. No one really wants to fix the issue, just throw more money at it.

Same reason why there’s always another war popping up. Gotta keep all the defense companies happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Again, you don’t understand how the current immigration system works. For most people there is no way as a practical matter to come here legally and remain here. Your parents’ experience is not relevant to today.

Nothing worse than strivers who get off on pulling up the ladder behind them.

Your POV is based on the idea that people that want to come here and stay here should be allowed to if they want to.

People enter legally with visas and down the.road become citizens all the time.

No, they don’t. Not legally at least. They come here on tourist visas or student visas and don’t leave. It’s illegal. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about. It is virtually impossible for the vast majority of the undocumented immigrants who we are seeing in this country to come here legally and gain citizenship or permanent legal status.

Yes, for those that are undocumented it probably is virtually impossible. That doesn't mean they have the right to be here and come just because they want to.

We’re talking in circles. The point is that the “get in line and do it legal” is bullshit. There is no legal way for most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But when people are getting arrested at Immigration Court proceedings, they’re clearly trying to work within the system and follow the law. And yet, ICE is snatching them and carting them away.

The time to work with the system was before entering illegally. Doing it after the fact is just begging for forgiveness. And we don’t need to grant it.

You don’t understand asylum law. You’re ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Again, you don’t understand how the current immigration system works. For most people there is no way as a practical matter to come here legally and remain here. Your parents’ experience is not relevant to today.

Nothing worse than strivers who get off on pulling up the ladder behind them.

Your POV is based on the idea that people that want to come here and stay here should be allowed to if they want to.

People enter legally with visas and down the.road become citizens all the time.

No, they don’t. Not legally at least. They come here on tourist visas or student visas and don’t leave. It’s illegal. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about. It is virtually impossible for the vast majority of the undocumented immigrants who we are seeing in this country to come here legally and gain citizenship or permanent legal status.

Yes, for those that are undocumented it probably is virtually impossible. That doesn't mean they have the right to be here and come just because they want to.

We’re talking in circles. The point is that the “get in line and do it legal” is bullshit. There is no legal way for most people.

That's too bad then. That's the point. Not everybody that wants to come gets to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

Yea well you wouldn’t have had to see any of that if you opened the traffic laws and
stayed out of traffic court yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Let me guess Indian? Different nationalities have very different experiences. H1B to citizen is a different path.

I will tell you this though, the people going after undocumented immigrants do not want you or their parents here either. Why do you think Trump keeps going after birthright citizenship and threatening to de naturalize people.

Why are the people posting here on DCUM increasingly racist against Indians and Indian-Americans?

It’s becoming increasingly noticeable.

They hate that Indians are coming here on H1s and taking white collared jobs.

They hate that brown people are coming here and taking jobs on farms, meat processing, cleaning house.

They hate immigrants, except if you have white skin and lots of money to throw around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

Matthew 25:40 of the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus states

"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Treating everyone with dignity and respect costs nothing.

I’m an atheist and anyone here illegally needs to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

Yea well you wouldn’t have had to see any of that if you opened the traffic laws and
stayed out of traffic court yourself.

I was accompanying my older legal Hispanic law abiding relative to traffic court not for myself. But thanks for your snark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

Matthew 25:40 of the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus states

"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Treating everyone with dignity and respect costs nothing.

I’m an atheist and anyone here illegally needs to go.

How many do you know? Are they taking your job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

Yea well you wouldn’t have had to see any of that if you opened the traffic laws and
stayed out of traffic court yourself.

I was accompanying my older legal Hispanic law abiding relative to traffic court not for myself. But thanks for your snark.

Your law abiding relative isn’t very law abiding apparently. Careful now. They may end up having their citizenship revoked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

Matthew 25:40 of the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus states

"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Treating everyone with dignity and respect costs nothing.

I’m an atheist and anyone here illegally needs to go.

Agree. There's no other way around it. People are not vetted thoroughly. Too much scum. There are a lot of good law abiding Hispanics but unfortunately they never stay but leave eventually by their own choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

Yea well you wouldn’t have had to see any of that if you opened the traffic laws and
stayed out of traffic court yourself.

I was accompanying my older legal Hispanic law abiding relative to traffic court not for myself. But thanks for your snark.

Your law abiding relative isn’t very law abiding apparently. Careful now. They may end up having their citizenship revoked.

Sure, this is the first time in her 45 years of driving in the United States that she has had something like this occur. I'm sure your kind does not even look both ways before crossing the street.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, how many posters here have know personally and have had a bad experience of any kind with an undocumented migrant? If you do, tell your story. Otherwise, it’s clear that you’re just being played for fools by the current administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

Yes true. And another thing to mention, I was in traffic court recently and a lot of people who were driving erratically or pulled over and found without a driver's license. They did not possess one at all and they were just asked by the judge if they needed a translator because they didn't speak English and there were a lot of those at the court that day and the judge asked them if they could get their driver's license and he could waive the charge or they could pay the fine and they all opted to pay the fine because they knew they couldn't get a driver's license.

Yea well you wouldn’t have had to see any of that if you opened the traffic laws and
stayed out of traffic court yourself.

I was accompanying my older legal Hispanic law abiding relative to traffic court not for myself. But thanks for your snark.

Your law abiding relative isn’t very law abiding apparently. Careful now. They may end up having their citizenship revoked.

Sure, this is the first time in her 45 years of driving in the United States that she has had something like this occur. I'm sure your kind does not even look both ways before crossing the street.

Well, with her on the road I’ll start looking now!