Undocumented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last time there was unchecked migration to North America the native populations were decimated and those that remained placed on reservations.

Do you all not expect history to repeat itself. Especially since today’s immigrants are not the best and brightest of their homeland.

Glad to see a restoration of US borders and the deportation of undesirable immigrants.

You are in serious need of psychiatric help.

[Anonymous]

I immigrated to the US legally as a child. I come from a country that has been in a civil war for decades. But wealthy families like mine are largely insulated from it. We didn't come here fleeing violence. My dad was offered his dream job and that's why we came.

My mom has at times complained about undocumented immigrants "jumping the line" but I think it's a little ridiculous. We didn't wait in line. My grandparents were wealthy people in a country with massive income inequality and gave my parents the resources that allowed my dad to get this job offer.

I also think the anger from Americans towards undocumented immigrants is fundamentally racist. If you really felt they were taking your jobs, you'd be angry at the employers that hire undocumented immigrants and steal their wages. They come here because the economic opportunities are here and frankly them doing hard jobs you don't want benefits you in numerous ways. We are all exploiting them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last time there was unchecked migration to North America the native populations were decimated and those that remained placed on reservations.

Do you all not expect history to repeat itself. Especially since today’s immigrants are not the best and brightest of their homeland.

Glad to see a restoration of US borders and the deportation of undesirable immigrants.

Are you really fearful that some lowly educated poor people will put you in a reservation?

Oh, are you Native American? If not, then you are also to some degree an immigrant. Did you know that many immigrants from Europe were poor, and lowly educated, like Trump's mother who was a maid in Scotland? When did your ancestors come here? Were they doctors and lawyers when they came? Learn some frickin' US history in terms of what types of people came here. I'll give you a clue: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

Matthew 25:40 of the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus states

"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Treating everyone with dignity and respect costs nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

+1 exactly

We are all human beings, we all belong on this earth. Migration is not a crime, it is a fundamental part of the human experience. Of course, national created rules about immigration. In the US, our immigration system is broken and has been for decades. Undocumented immigrants coming in is a feature, not a bug of the system.

[Anonymous]

I'll add that our legal immigration system does not meet the needs of our economic system or our country. Native born people are not having enough babies and are not willing to work the jobs that immigrants work. It's not because of low wages. It's because those jobs are really tough. There will always be economic demand for low skilled labor and more and more as birth rates go down among all groups. And frankly, employers love the current system because keeping their workers undocumented makes it easier to exploit them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

What are you confused about?

They contribute to the do in a huge way. Most are not criminals like by 98 or more percent. They pick your food wool in chicken and beef plants do jobs you don’t want your kids doing for little pay and no benefits

Of course people should come here legally how’re our system sucks

Go on maga let your little white sons work for pennies on the dollar with no benefits and no injury protect project 2025 and your daughters be raped by old white guys

OP you started this I will finish it

Melania should go back to the hell she came from Einstein Visa BS

Amazing his white immigrants are not being targeted only brown maga fools cannot wait for your daughters to be married by age ten and breeding for Stephen Miller and Betsey Devos you do know they have started building maternity homes Iowa and Idaho and Oklahoma ? Over course you don’t know you haven’t read project 2025

You are arguing for an underclass or slave labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll add that our legal immigration system does not meet the needs of our economic system or our country. Native born people are not having enough babies and are not willing to work the jobs that immigrants work. It's not because of low wages. It's because those jobs are really tough. There will always be economic demand for low skilled labor and more and more as birth rates go down among all groups. And frankly, employers love the current system because keeping their workers undocumented makes it easier to exploit them.

+1 Even Japan imports low skilled foreign workers.

The birth rate here is declining. Gen alpha is tiny compared to Gen X. Why do you think Musk and Project 2025 are telling people to have more children? "They will not replace us".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

I have worked with a Colombian woman who would go back and visit her family regularly. She was white collar, professional level.
So I'm not sure that the entire country is full of gangs and violence.
It's like someone from Bed-Stuy illegally emigrating to the UK and claiming gang violence.

By the way, I've had an unidentified dead body on my building stoop in NYC UWS circa mid-90s when this neighborhood was pretty sketchy.

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

Medicare is for old people. Medicaid is for poor people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

I have worked with a Colombian woman who would go back and visit her family regularly. She was white collar, professional level.
So I'm not sure that the entire country is full of gangs and violence.
It's like someone from Bed-Stuy illegally emigrating to the UK and claiming gang violence.

By the way, I've had an unidentified dead body on my building stoop in NYC UWS circa mid-90s when this neighborhood was pretty sketchy.

It's honestly where they come from and most people who are from farm towns or poverty level have more difficulty following laws here because in those areas there really is no law where they used to live before. Whereas then you have your educated sector where there are people I've met who have advanced degrees in their country and they are mostly here just to work and not cause trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Again, you don’t understand how the current immigration system works. For most people there is no way as a practical matter to come here legally and remain here. Your parents’ experience is not relevant to today.

Nothing worse than strivers who get off on pulling up the ladder behind them.

Your POV is based on the idea that people that want to come here and stay here should be allowed to if they want to.

People enter legally with visas and down the.road become citizens all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll add that our legal immigration system does not meet the needs of our economic system or our country. Native born people are not having enough babies and are not willing to work the jobs that immigrants work. It's not because of low wages. It's because those jobs are really tough. There will always be economic demand for low skilled labor and more and more as birth rates go down among all groups. And frankly, employers love the current system because keeping their workers undocumented makes it easier to exploit them.

+1 Even Japan imports low skilled foreign workers.

The birth rate here is declining. Gen alpha is tiny compared to Gen X. Why do you think Musk and Project 2025 are telling people to have more children? "They will not replace us".

LOL, Japan does not allow massive unchecked immigration. The situations aren't even remotely the same.