Undocumented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Let me guess Indian? Different nationalities have very different experiences. H1B to citizen is a different path.

I will tell you this though, the people going after undocumented immigrants do not want you or their parents here either. Why do you think Trump keeps going after birthright citizenship and threatening to de naturalize people.

What sort of judgy (and kinda racist) cultural generalization is that?!?

As the child of an Indian immigrant, pp is spot on.

PP, you should really watch Mehdi Hassan's jubilee debate on the immigration question. The vast majority of ICE/right wing/MAGA supporters don't want brown legal immigrants, either.

[Anonymous]

LE are not ICE.
If the police pull someone over they show their drivers lic and either get a ticket or not. The Police have no clue about their legal status.
If they don’t have a drivers lic, the car might get towed and they get an additional ticket for driving without a lic that involves a court date. Then they go on their way. Police don’t ask about legal status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

Sounds like he had a good reason for applying to be here legally. Did you ask him why he didn’t?

[Anonymous]

Yes, you should care. A country is not a country if it does not have borders. Mass immigration as demonstrated in Europe destroys the vary fabric of society and often the social norms on which a country is based.

People need to fix their own problems. Not trudge have way around the world bringing disorder to countries without issues.

[Anonymous]

Above- have you looked at a map of El Salvador? See how many countries are between the US and El Salvador? And he didn’t escape to any of them but kept on going until he reached the US?
Do you know why?
Money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

Sounds like he had a good reason for applying to be here legally. Did you ask him why he didn’t?

He might have been here legally. I have no idea, but if he was on asylum, seems like people in the same situation are being deported from their required annual check ins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Above- have you looked at a map of El Salvador? See how many countries are between the US and El Salvador? And he didn’t escape to any of them but kept on going until he reached the US?
Do you know why?
Money.

He wasn’t stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, you should care. A country is not a country if it does not have borders. Mass immigration as demonstrated in Europe destroys the vary fabric of society and often the social norms on which a country is based.

People need to fix their own problems. Not trudge have way around the world bringing disorder to countries without issues.

What countries are these? Surely you’re not referring to the US? If so…hahahahahahahaha gtfo.

[Anonymous]

I am glad they are here. They are the future of our country. To quote noted do-gooder Cher Horowitz, “may I please remind you it does not say RSVP on the Statue of Liberty.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

It probably won't affect you, so I say carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Above- have you looked at a map of El Salvador? See how many countries are between the US and El Salvador? And he didn’t escape to any of them but kept on going until he reached the US?
Do you know why?
Money.

True, they came through an open border for the free room and board in NY hotels, free cell phones and pre-loaded credit cards. Excellent policies.

They did not stay in any countries between El Salvador and the US because they would not have been allowed to do so. They would have been deported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

+1

If there were a civil war in the US, and our kids tried to flee, they would be undocumented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

Sounds like he had a good reason for applying to be here legally. Did you ask him why he didn’t?

I’m not the PP but 2 hurdles I can think of are cost and time. I was undocumented for a while. I then went through the process to get a green card. It took more than 10 years as I was considered unskilled and my lawyer fees were more than $4,000. Now imagine English isn’t your first language and you don’t have $4,000……….

[Anonymous]

You should care that they are a drain on our resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I was at the hair salon today and another woman started talking about traffic and how people are not slowing down at crosswalks in her neighborhood. She mentioned that the police should have more of a presence and then mentioned that the police are pulling over so many undocumented people.

I couldn't hear what her opinion was about it but it didn't necessarily seem positive.

I've never really thought too much about it.

That woman has no idea if the are documented or not. This is Maga racism at its most obvious basic level.