Undocumented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Again, you don’t understand how the current immigration system works. For most people there is no way as a practical matter to come here legally and remain here. Your parents’ experience is not relevant to today.

Nothing worse than strivers who get off on pulling up the ladder behind them.

Your POV is based on the idea that people that want to come here and stay here should be allowed to if they want to.

People enter legally with visas and down the.road become citizens all the time.

No, they don’t. Not legally at least. They come here on tourist visas or student visas and don’t leave. It’s illegal. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about. It is virtually impossible for the vast majority of the undocumented immigrants who we are seeing in this country to come here legally and gain citizenship or permanent legal status.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

What are you confused about?

They contribute to the do in a huge way. Most are not criminals like by 98 or more percent. They pick your food wool in chicken and beef plants do jobs you don’t want your kids doing for little pay and no benefits

Of course people should come here legally how’re our system sucks

Go on maga let your little white sons work for pennies on the dollar with no benefits and no injury protect project 2025 and your daughters be raped by old white guys

OP you started this I will finish it

Melania should go back to the hell she came from Einstein Visa BS

Amazing his white immigrants are not being targeted only brown maga fools cannot wait for your daughters to be married by age ten and breeding for Stephen Miller and Betsey Devos you do know they have started building maternity homes Iowa and Idaho and Oklahoma ? Over course you don’t know you haven’t read project 2025

If someone can make it through THIS post, they can read anything. Geez.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

+1

If there were a civil war in the US, and our kids tried to flee, they would be undocumented.

If there was another civil war in the US, my kids would be making certain your kids fled the country and won’t be coming back. Because you will have started that war, and we are going to punish your children for your starting it.

What twaddle is this? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

It’s a good thing there’s no law saying no public school for stupid people. If there were you and yours would be SOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

It's conditions like this that make it undesirable for illegals to be in certain countries, like Germany, Japan, France, etc.. where a national ID is requisite for almost everything.
Want a job? Present that national ID.
Want a place to live? Present that national ID and it will be linked to your new abode.
Want your child to go to school? Gotta have that national ID.
Buy a train ticket? National ID card please.
These are so-called cradle to grave societies. You are tracked but you are also taken care of. In Germany, new mothers are visited by state doula types who make sure the new family is set up and had the resources they need.

But the "Don't tread on me" contingent who see socialism in all aspects of a national ID card will allow free riders on all public services. That is why the US is so attractive. As an Asian, I am on the receiving end of a lot of frank admissions from other Asians. Some will openly admit to going to Nepal to buy a passport. Another straight faced said it's just easier to emigrate to the US than most other countries.
It is easy to go "off the grid" here. Impossible in most other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll add that our legal immigration system does not meet the needs of our economic system or our country. Native born people are not having enough babies and are not willing to work the jobs that immigrants work. It's not because of low wages. It's because those jobs are really tough. There will always be economic demand for low skilled labor and more and more as birth rates go down among all groups. And frankly, employers love the current system because keeping their workers undocumented makes it easier to exploit them.

Sure it’s because of low wages. They just haven’t found the right wage. Are you suggestion it is good to keep them so we can continue to exploit them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

It's conditions like this that make it undesirable for illegals to be in certain countries, like Germany, Japan, France, etc.. where a national ID is requisite for almost everything.
Want a job? Present that national ID.
Want a place to live? Present that national ID and it will be linked to your new abode.
Want your child to go to school? Gotta have that national ID.
Buy a train ticket? National ID card please.
These are so-called cradle to grave societies. You are tracked but you are also taken care of. In Germany, new mothers are visited by state doula types who make sure the new family is set up and had the resources they need.

But the "Don't tread on me" contingent who see socialism in all aspects of a national ID card will allow free riders on all public services. That is why the US is so attractive. As an Asian, I am on the receiving end of a lot of frank admissions from other Asians. Some will openly admit to going to Nepal to buy a passport. Another straight faced said it's just easier to emigrate to the US than most other countries.
It is easy to go "off the grid" here. Impossible in most other countries.

Interesting 🤔 they go to nepal to buy a US passport? There aren't a lot of people from my families city of origin here in the US because they have more issues getting US visas to even visit the US even when they have wealth and assets and property in their country. They're always declined yet I see a lot of people from a certain city in my family's country that is lower educated and they are usually from farm towns and indigenous but they are overwhelmingly taking up the population here there are a lot and they don't want to say how there are so many here from Grandma's to kids to extended family. I always wonder how they make it here yet others from the capital city of that country are always declined visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

It's conditions like this that make it undesirable for illegals to be in certain countries, like Germany, Japan, France, etc.. where a national ID is requisite for almost everything.
Want a job? Present that national ID.
Want a place to live? Present that national ID and it will be linked to your new abode.
Want your child to go to school? Gotta have that national ID.
Buy a train ticket? National ID card please.
These are so-called cradle to grave societies. You are tracked but you are also taken care of. In Germany, new mothers are visited by state doula types who make sure the new family is set up and had the resources they need.

But the "Don't tread on me" contingent who see socialism in all aspects of a national ID card will allow free riders on all public services. That is why the US is so attractive. As an Asian, I am on the receiving end of a lot of frank admissions from other Asians. Some will openly admit to going to Nepal to buy a passport. Another straight faced said it's just easier to emigrate to the US than most other countries.
It is easy to go "off the grid" here. Impossible in most other countries.

Interesting 🤔 they go to nepal to buy a US passport? There aren't a lot of people from my families city of origin here in the US because they have more issues getting US visas to even visit the US even when they have wealth and assets and property in their country. They're always declined yet I see a lot of people from a certain city in my family's country that is lower educated and they are usually from farm towns and indigenous but they are overwhelmingly taking up the population here there are a lot and they don't want to say how there are so many here from Grandma's to kids to extended family. I always wonder how they make it here yet others from the capital city of that country are always declined visas.

The Tibetan nanny did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. I welcome them. However I do think we need to fix the following:

1. Public schools - undocumented children who don’t speak English are too much for the school system. Maybe we create Spanish speaking schools?

2. Healthcare - the way our system is set up, they have no insurance and have to use the ER for everything and then don’t pay the bills. It’s a tremendous burden. Because they can’t work and get insurance, all their kids are on Medicare. Surely there’s a better way. Maybe we let undocumented immigrants purchase insurance (using their under the table wages)???

No public school for illegals. That's part of the problem.

It's conditions like this that make it undesirable for illegals to be in certain countries, like Germany, Japan, France, etc.. where a national ID is requisite for almost everything.
Want a job? Present that national ID.
Want a place to live? Present that national ID and it will be linked to your new abode.
Want your child to go to school? Gotta have that national ID.
Buy a train ticket? National ID card please.
These are so-called cradle to grave societies. You are tracked but you are also taken care of. In Germany, new mothers are visited by state doula types who make sure the new family is set up and had the resources they need.

But the "Don't tread on me" contingent who see socialism in all aspects of a national ID card will allow free riders on all public services. That is why the US is so attractive. As an Asian, I am on the receiving end of a lot of frank admissions from other Asians. Some will openly admit to going to Nepal to buy a passport. Another straight faced said it's just easier to emigrate to the US than most other countries.
It is easy to go "off the grid" here. Impossible in most other countries.

Interesting 🤔 they go to nepal to buy a US passport? There aren't a lot of people from my families city of origin here in the US because they have more issues getting US visas to even visit the US even when they have wealth and assets and property in their country. They're always declined yet I see a lot of people from a certain city in my family's country that is lower educated and they are usually from farm towns and indigenous but they are overwhelmingly taking up the population here there are a lot and they don't want to say how there are so many here from Grandma's to kids to extended family. I always wonder how they make it here yet others from the capital city of that country are always declined visas.

The Tibetan nanny did.

Don't know what nationality of passport she had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Again, you don’t understand how the current immigration system works. For most people there is no way as a practical matter to come here legally and remain here. Your parents’ experience is not relevant to today.

Nothing worse than strivers who get off on pulling up the ladder behind them.

Your POV is based on the idea that people that want to come here and stay here should be allowed to if they want to.

People enter legally with visas and down the.road become citizens all the time.

No, they don’t. Not legally at least. They come here on tourist visas or student visas and don’t leave. It’s illegal. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about. It is virtually impossible for the vast majority of the undocumented immigrants who we are seeing in this country to come here legally and gain citizenship or permanent legal status.

Yes, for those that are undocumented it probably is virtually impossible. That doesn't mean they have the right to be here and come just because they want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do not understand how people cannot care when other people are treated cruelly.

Picture someone you care about. Now picture them in a prison cell with many others being tortured, not being fed properly. And imagine if hearing about this, your coworkers and friends laughed and joked that they were food for alligators. And what did you friend do to deserve this? Nothing beyond trying to survive.

Weaponized empathy. Everyone needs to follow the law when entering a foreign country. There are no passes for sob stories.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But when people are getting arrested at Immigration Court proceedings, they’re clearly trying to work within the system and follow the law. And yet, ICE is snatching them and carting them away.

The time to work with the system was before entering illegally. Doing it after the fact is just begging for forgiveness. And we don’t need to grant it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But many of those being targeted did follow the rules. They applied for asylum and attended all their check in appointments. They work. They pay taxes. They follow the laws.

Others are simply desperate for a better life. Not what you or I consider a better life but to have the absolute basics. They deserve to live free of fear. All people do.

I have a SIL who did it all legally and it took years. But she was coming to the US from the UK. She wasn’t escaping anything. It’s a totally different story. And she recognizes that and shows compassion for immigrants who weren’t as lucky.

No, they DID NOT follow the rules.

They knowingly broke the law to illegally enter the U.S.

Only after breaking in, did they apply for asylum here. The overwhelming majority of asylum claims filed in the USA are bogus and are denied. That is not following the rules at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Let me guess Indian? Different nationalities have very different experiences. H1B to citizen is a different path.

I will tell you this though, the people going after undocumented immigrants do not want you or their parents here either. Why do you think Trump keeps going after birthright citizenship and threatening to de naturalize people.

Why are the people posting here on DCUM increasingly racist against Indians and Indian-Americans?

It’s becoming increasingly noticeable.