Undocumented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I was at the hair salon today and another woman started talking about traffic and how people are not slowing down at crosswalks in her neighborhood. She mentioned that the police should have more of a presence and then mentioned that the police are pulling over so many undocumented people.

I couldn't hear what her opinion was about it but it didn't necessarily seem positive.

I've never really thought too much about it.

Older blonde rotund lady?

Why, yes. Now that you mention it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do not understand how people cannot care when other people are treated cruelly.

Picture someone you care about. Now picture them in a prison cell with many others being tortured, not being fed properly. And imagine if hearing about this, your coworkers and friends laughed and joked that they were food for alligators. And what did you friend do to deserve this? Nothing beyond trying to survive.

Sounds horrific to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

What are the ways they cheat?

[Anonymous]

I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

What are the ways they cheat?

Is that a serious question? They came here illegally. That’s cheating. They took a calculated risk and decided to break the law when they came to the U.S. Break the law, deal with the consequences. How do you not get that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Let me guess Indian? Different nationalities have very different experiences. H1B to citizen is a different path.

I will tell you this though, the people going after undocumented immigrants do not want you or their parents here either. Why do you think Trump keeps going after birthright citizenship and threatening to de naturalize people.

[Anonymous]

Where and who you are born to is total luck. We are all humans and equally worthy of peace, happiness and food on the table. Besides, it’s not like Americans didn’t steal the land from the natives and then build the country on the back of slaves.

[Anonymous]

I feel like the Democratic Party is the OP

I have several undocumented acquaintances. They are hard working reliable trustworthy people. But I recognize in admitting them we’ve effectively created a lower class that serves upper class Americans and screws low wage workers whose wages and rights are undercut. Also the remittance economy we’ve enabled in several immigrant countries is not healthy or sustainable. It’s a dysfunctional system mostly that benefits wealthy Americans.

I think the Dignity Act is a reasonable start. But we need to make it impossible to work under the table in the US. We need to stop economic migration. Otherwise we continue to erode and undermine the lower and middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My spouse is an immigrant.

We had to pay and wait a very long time, while navigating the U.S. immigration system, legally.

It makes me irate that millions of others try to scam the system and cheat by jumping in line through coming here illegally.

They just have to go back.

But when people are getting arrested at Immigration Court proceedings, they’re clearly trying to work within the system and follow the law. And yet, ICE is snatching them and carting them away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the children of legal immigrants. My parents worked hard to follow all the rules and came here to fill a need for workers in which there was a shortage. They worked in healthcare their whole careers.

I understand people want to have better lives but they need to do it legally. They can't just come here expecting us to take them. I understand exceptions for refugees in specific cases but we don't have the resources for all the undocumented. There is a need for borders and allowing for the people here to have access to the resources they need. We can't help everyone. There is a huge strain for housing, healthcare, etc and native born people have trouble getting access as well. Immigration should be for those people in which we have a need for workers like farms and childcare.

Let me guess Indian? Different nationalities have very different experiences. H1B to citizen is a different path.

I will tell you this though, the people going after undocumented immigrants do not want you or their parents here either. Why do you think Trump keeps going after birthright citizenship and threatening to de naturalize people.

What sort of judgy (and kinda racist) cultural generalization is that?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do not understand how people cannot care when other people are treated cruelly.

Picture someone you care about. Now picture them in a prison cell with many others being tortured, not being fed properly. And imagine if hearing about this, your coworkers and friends laughed and joked that they were food for alligators. And what did you friend do to deserve this? Nothing beyond trying to survive.

How are they being tortured? I don’t think they are getting due process and I think that is 100% not ok. I don’t want the hard working people in restaurants, farms, construction, etc deported for no reason. They don’t really pay taxes and it’s a massive problem for our health care system and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel awful for them from a simply human point. Being torn away from their homes and family, some being forced to live in absolute awful conditions. I don't know how you can't feel bad even if you don't necessarily agree with undocumented people.

We have a family friend who went through a ton to immigrate here and eventually bring over her family. She absolutely hates undocumented people for cheating the system

I don't feel awful for them.
Being undocumented is a calculated risk.
No one forced them here. It was voluntary and they knew they were flouting the laws.
I feel awful for the kids who had no choice. The judgment is on the parents who put risk on the whole family.

I don't understand why everyone talks about the undocumented as if they had no agency in this matter, infantilizing them in effect.
These are adults who well understood the decision and gamble they were undertaking.

Many years ago I was talking to a handyman I hired. He probably wasn’t that much older than I was at the time. He was from el Salvador and told me that there was a war there and he and his dad would have to go and remove dead bodies from in front of his house or they’d just sit there and rot. It was unfathomable to me. He didn’t just come here for the fun of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I care about the undocumented immigrants in this country? I’m a little confused about it all.

Yes. You should care about ensuring that anyone not here legally, is identified and deported to their home country.

Other countries have immigration laws that they enforce, and so should the U.S.