Transgender congressperson calls for practical compromise on transgender policy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

We absolutely do NOT need to and should NOT reorganize sports from being based on the material reality of sex to being based the unverifiable and wholly subjective concept of gender identity. Transgender women can deal with a basic concept that even preschool children understand: You can't always have your way, even if you really, really want your way. Women's physical safety and fairness to women are extremely important. Transgender people's personal preferences are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

We absolutely do NOT need to and should NOT reorganize sports from being based on the material reality of sex to being based the unverifiable and wholly subjective concept of gender identity. Transgender women can deal with a basic concept that even preschool children understand: You can't always have your way, even if you really, really want your way. Women's physical safety and fairness to women are extremely important. Transgender people's personal preferences are not.

You guys are MURDERING transgender people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Progressives will always prefer smaller and weirder marginalized groups over larger and less weird groups. And sexual preference and gender fluidity stuff appeal to our desire to “transgress” against tradition, organized religion, etc.

That's right. Democrats protect the oppressed, and don't herd them into concentration camps. Everyone deserves human right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How so? The advice is to back off on trans issues, let trans athletes be banned from girls’ sports and girls’ locker rooms, and give Democrats a fighting chance to retake the House of Representatives or the Presidency. It’s better for all Democratic issues including trans folk stuff (long term). What’s not to like? To ignore this advice is to say that purity and virtue signaling are more important to us than helping to save democracy.

The reality is that Republicans, like in this thread, spout extreme, fake, "pro-transgender opinions" just to stir up backlash, and then lash back against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The trans hysteria will be gone in 10 yrs and they'll be accepted like gay are today. Idk why republicans act like they care about girls sports. Why support LGB but not T too?

Without girls sports, who would Republican men rape? There aren't enough kids going to church anymore m

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep. Democrats “barely mentioning” one of their non-negotiable policy stances looks dishonest. Democrats are the reason fishing tackle is sometimes spotted in girls’ bathrooms. We have to either drop it or own it. But the dishonest path of trying to have our cake and eat it too is killing us with voters. Even PRO-trans voters find the dishonesty off-putting.

Lia Thomas is governed by NCAA and USA Swimming and UPenn, not Democrats in government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not create two division in sports "open" for any gender or sex. And "female at birth."

Trans athletes would then have the option to participate in the "open" division.

They have that now on the men's side. They can make it open rather than men, but it's the same idea. It's just the women that are limited.

The men's side is theoretically already an open division.

No, it's not, in many or most sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TERFs and their “girls sports” allies deserve to be threatened. This is exactly what haooened with gay people. They used to have no rights. And it took muscular activism for them to seize their rights. Trans athletes are no different.

Girls sport contests is not a human right. It's a bunch of games with arbitrary rules.

180lb boxers can't compete in the 150lb division either.

Boys with apraxia and girls in wheelchairs can't play NCAA basketball.

It's OK. Not everyone needs to do every little thing. Being NCAA champion is not a human right.
Lia Thomas hurts trans women more than 80% of Republicans don

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yep. Democrats “barely mentioning” one of their non-negotiable policy stances looks dishonest. Democrats are the reason fishing tackle is sometimes spotted in girls’ bathrooms. We have to either drop it or own it. But the dishonest path of trying to have our cake and eat it too is killing us with voters. Even PRO-trans voters find the dishonesty off-putting.

Lia Thomas is governed by NCAA and USA Swimming and UPenn, not Democrats in government.

But NCAA, USA Swim and UPenn are governed primarily by Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

We absolutely do NOT need to and should NOT reorganize sports from being based on the material reality of sex to being based the unverifiable and wholly subjective concept of gender identity. Transgender women can deal with a basic concept that even preschool children understand: You can't always have your way, even if you really, really want your way. Women's physical safety and fairness to women are extremely important. Transgender people's personal preferences are not.

You guys are MURDERING transgender people.

This is not true. One study came out that has since been debunked. Moreover, children with gender dysphoria who transition do not become okay. They have as many or more problems after transition. Taking away the rights of cis females does nothing but hurt cis females RIGHTS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TERFs and their “girls sports” allies deserve to be threatened. This is exactly what haooened with gay people. They used to have no rights. And it took muscular activism for them to seize their rights. Trans athletes are no different.

Girls sport contests is not a human right. It's a bunch of games with arbitrary rules.

180lb boxers can't compete in the 150lb division either.

Boys with apraxia and girls in wheelchairs can't play NCAA basketball.

It's OK. Not everyone needs to do every little thing. Being NCAA champion is not a human right.
Lia Thomas hurts trans women more than 80% of Republicans don

Yep. Lia Thomas and drag queens in kindergartens did trans women no favors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

According to survey of transgender people, their top concerns are housing, jobs, access to medical care. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/07/the-experiences-challenges-and-hopes-of-transgender-and-nonbinary-u-s-adults/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats are DEEP inside the transgender pit. No trolls required. Once you’re in favor of penes in the girls’ locker room and you make “Rachel” Levine the Assistant Secretary of Health so she can agitate for underage sex change surgeries, you don’t really need Republican trolls to make you look bad. You’re already bad.

Well bigotry isn’t such a great look either, dear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not create two division in sports "open" for any gender or sex. And "female at birth."

Trans athletes would then have the option to participate in the "open" division.

They have that now on the men's side. They can make it open rather than men, but it's the same idea. It's just the women that are limited.

The men's side is theoretically already an open division.

No, it's not, in many or most sports.

It actually is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

Well said. And when we draw a distinction between levels of competition, it seems we could do that on age. High school and above?

How do you propose to administer this such that it doesn’t face an immediate legal challenge?

All of this is avoiding the underlying issue of legal rights.

Competitive versus non-competitive. Nothing in elementary school is competitive. Non-league games are also considered exhibitions.

But why do you think a legal challenge would succeed? Gender is neither a protected class, nor, according to the activists, a fixed inherent characteristic. Sex, on the other hand, is both of those things.

There are many states in which gender identity is a protected class.

To what extent? The SC holding was that gender is tied up in sex and that sex is a protected class.