How many minor transitions do you know ow

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Puberty blockers ARE irreversible. and thousands of kids under 18 get hormone treatments every year, and the rate increased sharply in the past 5-10 years.

Lying doesn’t really help your cause.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I have 5 friends who have children who have transitioned and am completely supportive of them. I don’t understand why MAGAts are so obsessed with this.

same.
I'm a teacher. Those transitioning are so much happier than they were previously. Why can't we allow this to happen without MAGA and their dirty hands.

Because:

1) there's no biological evidence to support the concept of being born the wrong gender, so it's a question of truth.

2) minor transitions can involve prepuberty blockers and more drastic surgery, which is irreversible and with drastic consequences for things like adult sexual enjoyment. This is why European countries have enacted laws and policies blocking such treatments of minors.

3) As time goes on, more and more of the "trans" have detransitioned back to their birth sex/gender, making #2 particularly problematic.

4) There is a clear overlap between kids who claim a trans identity and autism. Which does open up a whole set of questions around appropriateness of supporting transitions.

5) one of the leading pro-trans doctor received a $10M grant funding research into the well-being of kids who transitioned following usage of treatment and suddenly, after nine years of collecting data, refuses to release her finding because she's afraid it will be "weaponized." Can we guess what the findings were? You can google her easily.

6) many have noticed that girls who transition share similar characteristics of girls in previous generations who were came out in adulthood as lesbians, and are worried that sending these "kind" messages promoting and encouraging transitions to these girls is harming them and their growth of sexual maturity.

7) however your stances on trans, it's undeniable that the Biden administration and the progressive groups were proactively redefining the meaning of men and women, particularly women, to accommodate trans. Who can forget KBJ's famous utterance that she can't define a woman because she's not a scientist. For many women in real life, this was a serious affront to them and their existence, especially following a strong generational long feminist movement that sought to remove male dominance of women's existence only to turn around and effectively give men the back door back into women's spaces.

8) Some people certainly abused the concept of trans to get privileged treatment/placement in venues like prisons, so you saw prosecuted violent rapists in women's prisons.

9) Certain school districts/states passed laws banning schools from telling parents if a kid wanted to transition and didn't want the parents to know. This had major implications for the rights of parents over their children.

I could go on. But the idea that you can't understand why people are so "unkind" about trans is burying your head in the sand. And I will also say I remember a post on DCUM sometime ago that commented it's never the country club Republican families that have trans kids, it's always something that seems to happen in Takoma Park type places. And while a simplified statement, I do think there's truth to it.

Most of this is incorrect.

1. What evidence are you looking for specifically? Are you suggesting trans people are lying?

2. Prepuberty blockers are "reversible" in the sense that once you stop them, puberty resumes. They do not leave you permanently pre-pubesecent and have been used for decades for cis children who start puberty too early. There is hormone therapy, but that is typically not done until age 18. Occasionally younger, but that is under certain circumstances and after extensive evaluation. Surgeries are NOT performed on people under 18 except in very specific circumstances and also with extensive evaluation - these are extremely rare. In all cases, people undergo multiple evaluations.

3. Detransition rates are 1%-8%. The study that found a rate of 8% was conducted in the US, and 62% of those people detransitioned because of family, societal, or financial pressures, not because their identity changed.

For comparison, regret rates for medical surgeries such as knee surgery or back surgery reach rates as high as 20-40%, yet we don't question whether or not people should get those surgeries.

4. Correlation doesn't equal causation. There are multiple explanations, such as people with autism as less concerned with fitting in with society, so trans people with autism are more likely to transition than trans people without autism.

However, this is really irrelevant. Are you suggesting that people with autism should not have autonomy over their bodies? Before you say it's kids, remember that teenagers typically are given only puberty blockers, which are reversible, and only after extensive evaluation.

This also goes against your argument #1, that there is no biological basis. If you are suggesting that it is correlated with autism, which does have a biological basis, then it also has a biological basis. You can't have it both ways.

5. Not true. This research project, the Trans Youth Care study, has published 28 papers. You can easily find them on Google Scholar. Her comment on weaponizing research was part of a quote that she is being meticulous and extremely thorough.

6. Source? "Noticing" isn't enough. Human beings are notoriously bad at recollection and generally biased, which is why we have the scientific method.

7. What back door is being given to men? Examples? I'm a woman in a male-dominated industry, and it's had zero impact on my life.

8. So nobody should be allowed to transition because of the rape cases? This doesn't make sense. There can be criteria for which prison people go to, such as have they transitioned. If our standard is "some people sexually assault women, so the entire group should not be allowed to exist", well, then, we should be getting rid of men.

9. Which "right" are you referring to? Parents do not have the right to know everything about their child - everyone is entitled to privacy, even children. Children also have the right to safety, and if telling the parent creates an unsafe environment, they should not be told. If your child doesn't tell you, that's on you for not creating a safe environment for them.

10. Source for your statistic on Republican country club families vs Tacoma park families? You need actual data. There are many other explanations, including that trans kids in those families don't feel safe enough, or that you are only noticing the families that confirm your bias (very common).

A member of WPATH states that current detransition rates are around 30%. That’s huge, considering the lifelong impacts of medical interventions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Jazz Jennings had penile inversion surgery on television at 17 years old. “Top surgeries” are often done on minors.

Puberty blockers are not fully reversible. Bone density does not fully recover. They are used for precocious puberty for much shorter amounts of time, and those children often have serious problems down the road.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Jazz Jennings had penile inversion surgery on television at 17 years old. “Top surgeries” are often done on minors.

Puberty blockers are not fully reversible. Bone density does not fully recover. They are used for precocious puberty for much shorter amounts of time, and those children often have serious problems down the road.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems

Puberty blockers may also impact IQ. There’s just no way to believe that blocking natural hormonal development has no impact. My kid is going through puberty and the changes to his personality, cognitive abilities and social abilities are so obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Luckily, the process for accessing gender affirming care is long and complex, so even if your 12 year-old came out as trans today, it would be a long time before any medical interventions were suggested or even possible.

Honestly, I'm appalled that folks are on this board blaming our current political situation on trans kids. The US public elected a bunch of fascists who have created multiple constitutional crises in their first week in power, and all folks can do is blame children for it? Why not blame the fascists?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Luckily, the process for accessing gender affirming care is long and complex, so even if your 12 year-old came out as trans today, it would be a long time before any medical interventions were suggested or even possible.

Honestly, I'm appalled that folks are on this board blaming our current political situation on trans kids. The US public elected a bunch of fascists who have created multiple constitutional crises in their first week in power, and all folks can do is blame children for it? Why not blame the fascists?

huh? in order for puberty blockers to work they would have to be prescribed around my kid’s age - otherwise puberty would not be blocked. and it’s not true that it takes a year of therapy to get started on medical treatment.

I despise Trump. I also think he got elected in part because of liberal own-goals in failing to be reasonable and truthful about this stuff.

[Anonymous]

Back to the OP, I know of 2 M-F and one F-M. None have had surgeries yet and all are in their 20s. Two are in the same family - cousins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

Oh the unearned arrogance of the DCUm poster. You know nothing about which you speak.

I hope for your sake that your kid who is "playing around with pronouns" is going through a phase and that you never have to deal with the harsh reality of raising and loving a trans kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

Oh the unearned arrogance of the DCUm poster. You know nothing about which you speak.

I hope for your sake that your kid who is "playing around with pronouns" is going through a phase and that you never have to deal with the harsh reality of raising and loving a trans kid.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Mental illnesses are very hard to attribute to anything specific, and claiming that a child’s depression or suicidality is because of being trans - and therefore can be cured by transition- is far, far from proven. In fact one of the most despicable things done was to tell parents that their child might commit suicide if they don’t affirm to the greatest & most rapid extent.

there are legions of kids who play around with pronouns and are not depressed or suicidal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

I’m not sure that’s true. I know a sophomore in high school who has had a mastectomy. I do know that his family supports him so he had their consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

I’m not sure that’s true. I know a sophomore in high school who has had a mastectomy. I do know that his family supports him so he had their consent.

The high school student (kid is currently 17) I know who started questioning his identity in 6th grade ( or was it 7th?) was definitely put on puberty blockers within a year. They also started wearing binders within 2 years. They then started hormones when they were just shy of 16. This kid is also autistic.

So yes, doctors are performing irreversible procedures on young teens younger than 18.

[Anonymous]

I know plenty of trans people. Only one who underwent surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

I’m not sure that’s true. I know a sophomore in high school who has had a mastectomy. I do know that his family supports him so he had their consent.

The high school student (kid is currently 17) I know who started questioning his identity in 6th grade ( or was it 7th?) was definitely put on puberty blockers within a year. They also started wearing binders within 2 years. They then started hormones when they were just shy of 16. This kid is also autistic.

So yes, doctors are performing irreversible procedures on young teens younger than 18.

Right. for all the rhetoric that “puberty blockers are reversible,” the data shows that almost all kids that take puberty blockers move on to hormones. and obviously for puberty blockers to work they have to be taken early in puberty so probably 12 at the latest and presumably often much earlier. For natal girls the effects of cross-sex hormones are physically irreversible (voice, hair, etc) and for both sexes if the child never goes through their natal sex puberty their sexual & reproductive function will be altered.