How many minor transitions do you know ow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

I'm also a parent of an ASD-lite kid, and this correlation is fascinating to me. I have zero scientific data or knowledge in this space. But it's so interesting to consider if it's a correlation/co-morbidity thing, or is it a feature about being ASD and an outsider that makes these kids seek community and structure in something else? Maybe someone has already done all this research (doubt it!) so sorry if i'm saying something taboo....

[Anonymous]

My kids are older - late 20’s. We knew of a few in each of their classes. After college, a few more appeared.

[Anonymous]

I'm really hoping that society transitions to being less rigid about gender so this isn't as much of an issue in the future. If people can just be themselves without being put in a gendered box, then there's less of a reason to switch to a different box. Women don't have to dress or act a certain way, nor do men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

What she 100% needs is a qualified counselor who helps her work through her feelings and desires without jumping to radical measures like meds and surgery. Building a timeline to child's legal majority.
Parents, especially woke parents, will be quick to "affirm" and less likely to take the wait and see approach.

[Anonymous]

I know of one, of the one I know, I'm not surprised by the transition.

The girl was mom's favorite, but mom is in a bad marriage, allowed dad to run amok and do as he pleased while mom slaved away endlessly to keep the home and family together.

The daughter ended up developing significant mental health issues, and at some point got medical clearance to transition.

I have no doubt that significant mental illness combined with that kind of family background, could be a contributing factor to a girl not wanting to become a woman.

I feel bad from mom, she blames the democrats.

[Anonymous]

Social contagion phenomenon.

I used to think I was a tyrannosaur when I was 6 years old. Thankfully my parents didn’t do anything to support that.

[Anonymous]

I know four adults. All transitioned as adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know of one, of the one I know, I'm not surprised by the transition.

The girl was mom's favorite, but mom is in a bad marriage, allowed dad to run amok and do as he pleased while mom slaved away endlessly to keep the home and family together.

The daughter ended up developing significant mental health issues, and at some point got medical clearance to transition.

I have no doubt that significant mental illness combined with that kind of family background, could be a contributing factor to a girl not wanting to become a woman.

I feel bad from mom, she blames the democrats.

I mean….. she’s not entirely wrong here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

I'm also a parent of an ASD-lite kid, and this correlation is fascinating to me. I have zero scientific data or knowledge in this space. But it's so interesting to consider if it's a correlation/co-morbidity thing, or is it a feature about being ASD and an outsider that makes these kids seek community and structure in something else? Maybe someone has already done all this research (doubt it!) so sorry if i'm saying something taboo....

I think it could be seeking community but I also think it has to do with an inherently different way of thinking about categories and being led to believe that there are rigid rules about being male or female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

Many trans people do not get surgery. They just live as the other sex and take hormones.

[Anonymous]

Each of my husband's three siblings has 1 LGBT child, and 2 of those now identify as trans. So I have a trans niece (MTF) and a trans nephew (FTM). My trans niece's parents also officially came out as LGBT+ (gay dad, bi/poly mom) about six months before trans niece came out as a trans lesbian. Lots of family instability there. Trans nephew just turned 18 and now identifies as a male and goes by a male name, but no surgeries that I'm aware of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

Many trans people do not get surgery. They just live as the other sex and take hormones.

hormones are kind of a big deal though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Each of my husband's three siblings has 1 LGBT child, and 2 of those now identify as trans. So I have a trans niece (MTF) and a trans nephew (FTM). My trans niece's parents also officially came out as LGBT+ (gay dad, bi/poly mom) about six months before trans niece came out as a trans lesbian. Lots of family instability there. Trans nephew just turned 18 and now identifies as a male and goes by a male name, but no surgeries that I'm aware of.

Are the niece and nephew happier/more stable post transition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.