How many minor transitions do you know ow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

a young teen girl who things they are a gay male needs a lot of counseling to figure out what is going on, as well as the practical understanding that the vast majority of gay males will be uninterested in dating them. This really does scream “social contagion” to me.

It makes a lot more sense for a very gender nonconforming lesbian girl to go through a phase where ID’ing as male makes more sense as a phase in figuring out who she is. Not that transition is the foregone conclusion but this thought process seems more … sane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really hoping that society transitions to being less rigid about gender so this isn't as much of an issue in the future. If people can just be themselves without being put in a gendered box, then there's less of a reason to switch to a different box. Women don't have to dress or act a certain way, nor do men.

Uh, as of 1/20/25 we are more rigid about gender than ever. Well the 30% minority rule. However, if you've been on DCUM long enough you'll see all the women here becoming outraged that a boy wants to babysit or that there's a man who teaches elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know of one, of the one I know, I'm not surprised by the transition.

The girl was mom's favorite, but mom is in a bad marriage, allowed dad to run amok and do as he pleased while mom slaved away endlessly to keep the home and family together.

The daughter ended up developing significant mental health issues, and at some point got medical clearance to transition.

I have no doubt that significant mental illness combined with that kind of family background, could be a contributing factor to a girl not wanting to become a woman.

I feel bad from mom, she blames the democrats.

I mean….. she’s not entirely wrong here.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Great. You make that decision for yourself and your children until they have the legal right to make their own choice. This is none of your business- what other people do- and it’s a very small number. This is a culture war instigated by the GOP to distract you from their dismantling the constitution, looting the country, meddling in European elections, and antagonizing our allies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Don't worry. No one is forcing you to cut off your dick or take HRT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Great. You make that decision for yourself and your children until they have the legal right to make their own choice. This is none of your business- what other people do- and it’s a very small number. This is a culture war instigated by the GOP to distract you from their dismantling the constitution, looting the country, meddling in European elections, and antagonizing our allies.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Great. You make that decision for yourself and your children until they have the legal right to make their own choice. This is none of your business- what other people do- and it’s a very small number. This is a culture war instigated by the GOP to distract you from their dismantling the constitution, looting the country, meddling in European elections, and antagonizing our allies.

No, this is a culture war started by the democrats and the billionaires who fund them, telling our children the solution to their natural anxiety around adolescence is that they are actually transgender, removing all safeguards as unnecessary gatekeeping, allowing only affirmative therapy, creating lifelong medical patients to support big Pharma, and allowing men into women’s sports, locker rooms, dorm rooms, sorority houses, and jail cells.

And then when women naturally object, they wave their hands and claim the GOP started it, like a toddler unwilling to take responsibility for their actions. So no, this wasn’t instigated by the GOP. This was started by the left and the normies are over it. This is how we got Trump. Take some responsibility for your actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really hoping that society transitions to being less rigid about gender so this isn't as much of an issue in the future. If people can just be themselves without being put in a gendered box, then there's less of a reason to switch to a different box. Women don't have to dress or act a certain way, nor do men.

Funny, I think we are already there. I don’t have to dress any certain way. I don’t have to act a certain way. But, I can’t switch my biological sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Great. You make that decision for yourself and your children until they have the legal right to make their own choice. This is none of your business- what other people do- and it’s a very small number. This is a culture war instigated by the GOP to distract you from their dismantling the constitution, looting the country, meddling in European elections, and antagonizing our allies.

No, this is a culture war started by the democrats and the billionaires who fund them, telling our children the solution to their natural anxiety around adolescence is that they are actually transgender, removing all safeguards as unnecessary gatekeeping, allowing only affirmative therapy, creating lifelong medical patients to support big Pharma, and allowing men into women’s sports, locker rooms, dorm rooms, sorority houses, and jail cells.

And then when women naturally object, they wave their hands and claim the GOP started it, like a toddler unwilling to take responsibility for their actions. So no, this wasn’t instigated by the GOP. This was started by the left and the normies are over it. This is how we got Trump. Take some responsibility for your actions.

+1000 !

[Anonymous]

I believe I know of four or five.

3 M --> F
1 F --> M, possibly 2 but can't say for sure and would not ask.

[Anonymous]

I'm trans and no one at work knows. Only close friends know. I only tell those who I can trust completely. Yes, I'm married and we just had our first child.

I knew when I was around age 5 that I was not like the other kids or like my siblings. I didn't know what trans was at the time, but I knew I was different. Luckily, my parents gave me a gender neutral name at birth (think Jamie, Taylor, Noah), so school was a bit easier for me. I dressed like a boy and was called a tomboy. My parents called me a tomboy and in my childmind, that's what I was. I was a girl who liked boy things and didn't feel like a girl, so I was a tomboy.

It wasn't until I was around 10 or 11 that I heard the word transgender for the first time. I'd heard the t-slur before but thought that it meant men who dressed like women, like drag queens. Oddly enough, the first time I heard the word was at school in FLE (family life education aka sex ed) because the teacher wrote on the white board that there were 2 topics we couldn't discuss in the course: mastubat!on and transgenderism. I also didn't know what the first one was either. Neither did most of my classmates. What do little kids do when they hear a word they don't know and all adults are like "NO! We can't discuss these words! Don't ask! Don't write them and drop them in the anonymous ask questions box!" They immediately look it up in the dictionary, of course. That's what we did with those 2 words as soon as the FLE class was over. I can still remember the feeling I felt reading the word transgender for the first time. It. Was. Me. My face got really hot. My head spun. My heart was racing. I wasn't just a girl who liked boy things and was a tomboy - I was transgender. I was a girl who felt trapped in her body. I was a girl who felt wrong 99% of the time in all aspects of my life. I wasn't a girl who wanted to play on the boys little league team instead of playing softball. I was a girl who felt like a boy who wanted to play baseball with the other boys. I didn't want to wear boys clothes because I liked the color blue most and because they were baggier, I wanted to wearing boys clothing because I saw myself as a boy.

I didn't ask anyone about the word until later. It may have been at my 12 year checkup but I know the first person I asked was my pediatrician. There was a portion of the exam where my mom had to leave and it was just me, my pediatrician and a nurse. She asked if I had any questions and I asked if she knew what transgender meant. "I do. Can you define the word for me? I want to make sure we both have the same definition." That was the first question she asked me. Then she confirmed that my definition was correct. She never asked if I was trans. She never asked why I was asking. She just listened to me quickly babble. She asked if I had discussed it with my parents. I told her no. She asked if I wanted to discuss it with my mom with her there. I nodded and that's how the topic was presented to my mom. She was very "No, you're just a tomboy! Don't be silly. Aunt Mary was a tomboy just like you and look at her now!" My doctor gave us resources and a referral. She explained to my mom that the other doctor was better suited to handle the complexities of a transgender child, like navigating puberty blockers and hormones. More words I'd never heard or just kind of knew about, like hormones. My parents waited a long time to take any further action because they were convinced, I was simply a tomboy. I don't remember what spurred them to finally make the referral appointment. I started puberty blockers when I was 13 and a light dose of testosterone when I was almost 15. I increased my t as I was finishing high school. College is when I started really living as a trans male. My college assigned trans students to single dorms if they wanted, so that was nice. Floors were already co-ed with co-ed bathrooms. That was no big deal because you never saw anyone naked. Shower stalls all had locking doors with partitions. I got top surgery when I was 21. I'm now in my 30s and what most would consider 100% passing. If I walked into a women's restroom or locker room, women would freakout and think I was there for nefarious reasons.

[Anonymous]

That reads like fanfic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

PP here and I agree. I admit I have a hard time understanding why an anatomical girl can’t just be a lesbian “tomboy.” Why does she need to actually surgically become a man?

You’re confusing identity and sexuality

You used the example of a ftm person. This person identifies as male. That doesn’t mean they are a cis male. They might be gay or bisexual.

Just wear what you want to wear and date who you want to date. Physically changing your body through hormones or major surgery is something else entirely. And yes, I feel the same about cosmetic surgery too.

Great. You make that decision for yourself and your children until they have the legal right to make their own choice. This is none of your business- what other people do- and it’s a very small number. This is a culture war instigated by the GOP to distract you from their dismantling the constitution, looting the country, meddling in European elections, and antagonizing our allies.

No, this is a culture war started by the democrats and the billionaires who fund them, telling our children the solution to their natural anxiety around adolescence is that they are actually transgender, removing all safeguards as unnecessary gatekeeping, allowing only affirmative therapy, creating lifelong medical patients to support big Pharma, and allowing men into women’s sports, locker rooms, dorm rooms, sorority houses, and jail cells.

And then when women naturally object, they wave their hands and claim the GOP started it, like a toddler unwilling to take responsibility for their actions. So no, this wasn’t instigated by the GOP. This was started by the left and the normies are over it. This is how we got Trump. Take some responsibility for your actions.

WTAF?

No. You are the problem here. You are misinformed and spreading RWNJ propaganda.

STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That reads like fanfic.

Yea, based on the ages given, op would have been put on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones in the early 2000s, based on presenting as trans in early adolescence. That would have been highly unusual and rarely done without years of therapy at that time. The story doesn’t add up.