How many minor transitions do you know ow

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I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

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Anonymous wrote:I have 5 friends who have children who have transitioned and am completely supportive of them. I don’t understand why MAGAts are so obsessed with this.

Because of the insane amount of ads and focus one campaign used with Musk's $ on that issue. $$$. One of Musk's kid apparently trans. Could this be about his inability to accept that fact? $$$.

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Anonymous wrote:Realizing that every family in our boring upper middle class suburb has a child that is gay. Every family in my extended family has at least one child that is gay. That just seems really high compared to previous generations and it does suggest that a fair amount has to be social contagion or something. There seem to be as many gay weddings as straight weddings in our circle and we are fairly conservative, church going folks. I don't believe there has ever been another time in history where half of the population was homosexual. It certainly seems odd and like some sort of historical anomaly.

it’s the crap in our food and water supply.

Are you really this ignorant? Gay people have ALWAYS existed. But, when mainstream culture tells you that you are going to hell, are a danger to society, are a pedophile etc. you will do anything to NOT be seen as gay. So, people hid their true identities. With more acceptance, more people feel comfortable coming out. It has zero to do with our food/water. How do you not know this?

Are YOU really that ignorant? Clearly you’ve done no research into many different possible external causes of hormonal dysfunction including whether the mother has taken birth control prior to conception.

Show me one piece of scientific literature saying that…I’ll wait….

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There are three distinct things happening today when we talk about trans:

1. Very young kids (preschool) who identify with the opposite sex although the majority are boys who identify as girls. Most likely something biochemical happening here. Some stay trans for life but many are also just gay. For this subset of parents and kids I'm really glad our understanding of gender idenitity has become more flexible.

2. Kids suddently identifying as the opposite sex as teens. This is mostly social contagion, especially female to male with a high degree of autism and/or mental health issues. Agree with the poster who said it's a harmless phase as long as there's no medical intervention.

3. Adults suddenly identifying as the opposite sex, overwhelmingly male to female and overwhelmingly extremley high IQ and and high on alpha male traits. Austism spectrum and other mental health issues also are often in the mix but not always. This is typically a sex fetish--autogynophelia.

These experiences really don't have much do with one another other than all falling under the umbrella of "trans" which is a big reason why our public discourse around it is so vitriolic and unproductive.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

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Anonymous wrote:There are three distinct things happening today when we talk about trans:

1. Very young kids (preschool) who identify with the opposite sex although the majority are boys who identify as girls. Most likely something biochemical happening here. Some stay trans for life but many are also just gay. For this subset of parents and kids I'm really glad our understanding of gender idenitity has become more flexible.

2. Kids suddently identifying as the opposite sex as teens. This is mostly social contagion, especially female to male with a high degree of autism and/or mental health issues. Agree with the poster who said it's a harmless phase as long as there's no medical intervention.

3. Adults suddenly identifying as the opposite sex, overwhelmingly male to female and overwhelmingly extremley high IQ and and high on alpha male traits. Austism spectrum and other mental health issues also are often in the mix but not always. This is typically a sex fetish--autogynophelia.

These experiences really don't have much do with one another other than all falling under the umbrella of "trans" which is a big reason why our public discourse around it is so vitriolic and unproductive.

I take issue with #2. A lot of kids/teens keep things like that to themselves for fear of judgment. Then they either decide it’s safe to come out or simply can’t keep it secret any longer and come out, seemingly suddenly, but it’s been a long road for them. Some kids present as the other extreme to try to convince themselves or others that they’re their birth gender. Hell, adults do that too. That can make it feel even more dramatic. It doesn’t make it less true.

I’m not sure what you’re saying with #3 but I think if we explore it more there’s a good chance it’s going to be offensive, so I’m just going to say gender and sexuality are different topics, and autism isn’t a mental health issue so please be thoughtful how you word things.

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I have three teens and we know a lot. At least 15-20 that I can name? All female to male except one. I have no idea what physical transitions/treatments any are doing or have done. Also many more at the high school (kids I don’t know)- according to my kids. Tons of non binary kids as well. Mostly started in middle school (though a few were much earlier-in elementary).

Community demographic is UMC suburb, liberal-ish. Not a particularly religious area. Maybe 60% or so (just a guess) with most of the rest Latino. Not sure what else would be relevant…

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The extremes on both sides are utterly exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

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I know an adult male who is transitioning to female. Their teen daughter recently started identifying as male. I know a teen who is male to female presenting. This is in my cul de sac, which has 8 homes. I know one young adult who was born female, but now is non binary with he/them pronouns and a name change. I don't understand any of this, but I address all the way the have requested.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Lupron is a dangerous drug with bad, and irreversible long-term side effects. Yes, people take it, but only when they really need to. Messing with your endocrine system is about as smart as it sounds.

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Anonymous wrote:I have 5 friends who have children who have transitioned and am completely supportive of them. I don’t understand why MAGAts are so obsessed with this.

same.
I'm a teacher. Those transitioning are so much happier than they were previously. Why can't we allow this to happen without MAGA and their dirty hands.

Because:

1) there's no biological evidence to support the concept of being born the wrong gender, so it's a question of truth.

2) minor transitions can involve prepuberty blockers and more drastic surgery, which is irreversible and with drastic consequences for things like adult sexual enjoyment. This is why European countries have enacted laws and policies blocking such treatments of minors.

3) As time goes on, more and more of the "trans" have detransitioned back to their birth sex/gender, making #2 particularly problematic.

4) There is a clear overlap between kids who claim a trans identity and autism. Which does open up a whole set of questions around appropriateness of supporting transitions.

5) one of the leading pro-trans doctor received a $10M grant funding research into the well-being of kids who transitioned following usage of treatment and suddenly, after nine years of collecting data, refuses to release her finding because she's afraid it will be "weaponized." Can we guess what the findings were? You can google her easily.

6) many have noticed that girls who transition share similar characteristics of girls in previous generations who were came out in adulthood as lesbians, and are worried that sending these "kind" messages promoting and encouraging transitions to these girls is harming them and their growth of sexual maturity.

7) however your stances on trans, it's undeniable that the Biden administration and the progressive groups were proactively redefining the meaning of men and women, particularly women, to accommodate trans. Who can forget KBJ's famous utterance that she can't define a woman because she's not a scientist. For many women in real life, this was a serious affront to them and their existence, especially following a strong generational long feminist movement that sought to remove male dominance of women's existence only to turn around and effectively give men the back door back into women's spaces.

8) Some people certainly abused the concept of trans to get privileged treatment/placement in venues like prisons, so you saw prosecuted violent rapists in women's prisons.

9) Certain school districts/states passed laws banning schools from telling parents if a kid wanted to transition and didn't want the parents to know. This had major implications for the rights of parents over their children.

I could go on. But the idea that you can't understand why people are so "unkind" about trans is burying your head in the sand. And I will also say I remember a post on DCUM sometime ago that commented it's never the country club Republican families that have trans kids, it's always something that seems to happen in Takoma Park type places. And while a simplified statement, I do think there's truth to it.

Most of this is incorrect.

1. What evidence are you looking for specifically? Are you suggesting trans people are lying?

2. Prepuberty blockers are "reversible" in the sense that once you stop them, puberty resumes. They do not leave you permanently pre-pubesecent and have been used for decades for cis children who start puberty too early. There is hormone therapy, but that is typically not done until age 18. Occasionally younger, but that is under certain circumstances and after extensive evaluation. Surgeries are NOT performed on people under 18 except in very specific circumstances and also with extensive evaluation - these are extremely rare. In all cases, people undergo multiple evaluations.

3. Detransition rates are 1%-8%. The study that found a rate of 8% was conducted in the US, and 62% of those people detransitioned because of family, societal, or financial pressures, not because their identity changed.

For comparison, regret rates for medical surgeries such as knee surgery or back surgery reach rates as high as 20-40%, yet we don't question whether or not people should get those surgeries.

4. Correlation doesn't equal causation. There are multiple explanations, such as people with autism as less concerned with fitting in with society, so trans people with autism are more likely to transition than trans people without autism.

However, this is really irrelevant. Are you suggesting that people with autism should not have autonomy over their bodies? Before you say it's kids, remember that teenagers typically are given only puberty blockers, which are reversible, and only after extensive evaluation.

This also goes against your argument #1, that there is no biological basis. If you are suggesting that it is correlated with autism, which does have a biological basis, then it also has a biological basis. You can't have it both ways.

5. Not true. This research project, the Trans Youth Care study, has published 28 papers. You can easily find them on Google Scholar. Her comment on weaponizing research was part of a quote that she is being meticulous and extremely thorough.

6. Source? "Noticing" isn't enough. Human beings are notoriously bad at recollection and generally biased, which is why we have the scientific method.

7. What back door is being given to men? Examples? I'm a woman in a male-dominated industry, and it's had zero impact on my life.

8. So nobody should be allowed to transition because of the rape cases? This doesn't make sense. There can be criteria for which prison people go to, such as have they transitioned. If our standard is "some people sexually assault women, so the entire group should not be allowed to exist", well, then, we should be getting rid of men.

9. Which "right" are you referring to? Parents do not have the right to know everything about their child - everyone is entitled to privacy, even children. Children also have the right to safety, and if telling the parent creates an unsafe environment, they should not be told. If your child doesn't tell you, that's on you for not creating a safe environment for them.

10. Source for your statistic on Republican country club families vs Tacoma park families? You need actual data. There are many other explanations, including that trans kids in those families don't feel safe enough, or that you are only noticing the families that confirm your bias (very common).

I didn’t get further than your #1 because it is totally dishonest. The long term impact of puberty blockers is unknown and there is definitely some evidence of harm. They are not “reversible.” No medical treatment that invasive can be claimed to be “irreversible.” And of course the vast majority of kids who do puberty blockers go on to hormone therapy, so in practice, it is not reversible at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.