How many minor transitions do you know ow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have three teens and we know a lot. At least 15-20 that I can name? All female to male except one. I have no idea what physical transitions/treatments any are doing or have done. Also many more at the high school (kids I don’t know)- according to my kids. Tons of non binary kids as well. Mostly started in middle school (though a few were much earlier-in elementary).

Community demographic is UMC suburb, liberal-ish. Not a particularly religious area. Maybe 60% or so (just a guess) with most of the rest Latino. Not sure what else would be relevant…

Do you know any trans kids/young people from poor or working class families?
Any that are taking puberty blockers?
Any that had sex change surgeries at a young age?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Puberty blockers ARE irreversible. and thousands of kids under 18 get hormone treatments every year, and the rate increased sharply in the past 5-10 years.

Lying doesn’t really help your cause.

So kids who take puberty blockers never become adults at all?

[Anonymous]

Mayo Clinic:

Are the changes permanent?
GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again

NIH funded study:

A question that arises in the course of transgender care is whether GnRHa therapy has long-term adverse medical consequences, including effects on bone health. Over half of an individual’s bone density is acquired during adolescence, and transgender youth assigned male at birth are known to be at higher risk for low bone density even before GnRHa therapy.7 Understanding whether GnRHa use impacts fracture risk will be the critical long-term question that must be answered in future studies. In pediatrics, we are often left needing to weigh risks versus benefits, with limited available evidence, and needing to prescribe medications off-label.

(I wonder how long before they purge NIH library of any research not in line with the administration)

[Anonymous]

I know two trans people but neither has had surgeries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mayo Clinic:

Are the changes permanent?
GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again

NIH funded study:

A question that arises in the course of transgender care is whether GnRHa therapy has long-term adverse medical consequences, including effects on bone health. Over half of an individual’s bone density is acquired during adolescence, and transgender youth assigned male at birth are known to be at higher risk for low bone density even before GnRHa therapy.7 Understanding whether GnRHa use impacts fracture risk will be the critical long-term question that must be answered in future studies. In pediatrics, we are often left needing to weigh risks versus benefits, with limited available evidence, and needing to prescribe medications off-label.

(I wonder how long before they purge NIH library of any research not in line with the administration)

The evidence on puberty blocker side effects does not come from observational studies of trans kids but nice try. Why are you trying to lawyer this?

[Anonymous]

^ no idea what that person is trying to insinuate by pretending that the piece of published research does not exist

[Anonymous]

0 changing teams.

I know a few ”they/them” which are opting out of gender, not switching sides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

I’m not sure that’s true. I know a sophomore in high school who has had a mastectomy. I do know that his family supports him so he had their consent.

The high school student (kid is currently 17) I know who started questioning his identity in 6th grade ( or was it 7th?) was definitely put on puberty blockers within a year. They also started wearing binders within 2 years. They then started hormones when they were just shy of 16. This kid is also autistic.

So yes, doctors are performing irreversible procedures on young teens younger than 18.

Right. for all the rhetoric that “puberty blockers are reversible,” the data shows that almost all kids that take puberty blockers move on to hormones. and obviously for puberty blockers to work they have to be taken early in puberty so probably 12 at the latest and presumably often much earlier. For natal girls the effects of cross-sex hormones are physically irreversible (voice, hair, etc) and for both sexes if the child never goes through their natal sex puberty their sexual & reproductive function will be altered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ no idea what that person is trying to insinuate by pretending that the piece of published research does not exist

Yep, dumb people exist in both parties.

[Anonymous]

We live in Florida. Run in fairly progressive circles and son attends a gifted school. But am aware we are surrounded by more conservative people. I’m aware of a few kids at my son’s school, but don’t know the details. Not surprising at a gifted school, where parents tend to be higher income, progressive, and lots of quirky kids with coexisting adhd, asd, etc and all the other things that are increased comorbidity with high iq.

But I’m originally from the Ne and it is astounding how much more I hear about it up there. Kids at ds sleepaway camp in the north, several of our friends with kids socially trans, and my mom laughs that her book club of six women, she is the only one without a trans grandkid. True story. Our ages are such that we’re only hearing about the kids in Es through Hs, so we’re only talking about kids who are socially transitioning. And definitely see lots trans back. But it is fascinating the difference in what we see up north vs our similarly progressive circles down south, where I’d guess the larger societal expectations beyond your immediate circles are playing a role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:5 kids or young adults. It's widespread

Take a statistics class.

[Anonymous]

I can think of at least 6 families I know or know of off the top of my head. Who cares?

[Anonymous]

Why can’t they just be effeminate males or more masculine females? Wear what you want, do the activities you want? Date who you want? What causes the leap from this to trans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely there is social contagion going on. What the left fails to understand/accept is that it’s not as simple as “trans people are not hurting you so why do you care?” That argument fails to acknowledge the tremendous power of influence. Kids think this is cool or different and that they need to transition because they are special or whatever. Terrible lack of judgement from the left on this issue that might very well have cost this country its democracy.

Agree with this completely. I’m as liberal and open-hearted as they come and I am so furious that our country is going down for this.

I absolutely think all humans should identify as they wish and I love them for it. I also think parents and medical professionals have an absolute duty to act in the best interests of children, and in this case not allow/impose medical treatments that will permanently a child’s body. We all get one body in this life and it’s up to us, as adults, to ensure children reach the actual age of consent so THEY ALL have a fighting chance to make their own informed decisions about what happens to their bodies in the long run.

And before I get reamed - I am solely referring to medical interventions, such as puberty blockers or surgeries. Parents and the medical community should absolutely support their gender identity-questioning children in all the many other ways that don’t inflict permanent medical change.

Finally - I think it’s atrocious how this administration and its too-many supporters are treating transgender individuals. Absolutely appalling. But I think it’s equally appalling that it took this for the far left to finally get held to task.

This is already the standard. Children are not getting irreversible interventions.

The age for surgery and hormone therapy is 18.

Puberty blockers are complete reversible - you stop them and puberty starts. They have been used on cis children for decades for other medical reasons.

Puberty blockers ARE irreversible. and thousands of kids under 18 get hormone treatments every year, and the rate increased sharply in the past 5-10 years.

Lying doesn’t really help your cause.

So kids who take puberty blockers never become adults at all?

if a child starts on puberty blockers very early in puberty or before puberty, then transitions to cross-sex hormones, their sexual organs will not develop as an adult, correct. Because those organs depend on the hormonal triggers of the natal puberty to develop. I believe this impacts natal boys more than girls but it is acknowledged by very pro-trans medical professionals that a natal boy that never goes through male puberty will never develop sexually and reproductively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mayo Clinic:

Are the changes permanent?
GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again

NIH funded study:

A question that arises in the course of transgender care is whether GnRHa therapy has long-term adverse medical consequences, including effects on bone health. Over half of an individual’s bone density is acquired during adolescence, and transgender youth assigned male at birth are known to be at higher risk for low bone density even before GnRHa therapy.7 Understanding whether GnRHa use impacts fracture risk will be the critical long-term question that must be answered in future studies. In pediatrics, we are often left needing to weigh risks versus benefits, with limited available evidence, and needing to prescribe medications off-label.

(I wonder how long before they purge NIH library of any research not in line with the administration)

Except … almost all kids that take puberty blockers for gender dysphoria then take cross-sex hormones. They don’t go back to their natal puberty. And most of the research on puberty blockers and resuming normal puberty is for precocious puberty where the child then undergoes normal puberty at a normal age - which is very different from “pausing” puberty that is not premature.