Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

I do not wish ill on anyone. Where did you get that? I am mourning the lose of our country and you are minimizing it by saying i am sulky. Did you say that to your fellow Trump supporters who tried to overthrow our government?

And I don't care if you 'miss' me or not.

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My family is Italian American. Some vote Democrats because of labor unions. Others love Trump because they love money. Deep down, they love their Italian grandma. They find it challenging to use reason and logic. For example, there's a "we need an Italian American president" post with a photo of Sylvester Stallone who is Rocky. What about when Nancy Pelosi was the highest ranking Italian American in political office, Speaker Pelosi? You don't hear or see a peep out of them posting about what a strong leader she was and her accomplishments. And why? Back to the one issue dividing Catholics the abortion issue.

I love my family. I know my family. I know how genuinely difficult reading comprehension is for most of them. And I am one of the few people who they know and trust enough to say it. I just don't ever point out the obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

You were ready to project your glee and march victoriously over your rivals. We all know it. There was never going to be humility or humbleness in what you thought was a sure thing. That’s why this stings so badly for you. You didn’t get your moment of triumph that you felt entitled to.

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That is not true. When Biden won I felt relief but I never rubbed it in anyone's face.

+1 Exactly. We weren’t asking, so how y’all feeling? We didn’t have to because they’ve been ranting for 9 damn years. Now they’re taking our temperature? Seems like they’re nervous. They don't have a safety net provided by democrats. The wrath won’t only be inflicted on democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

I do not wish ill on anyone. Where did you get that? I am mourning the lose of our country and you are minimizing it by saying i am sulky. Did you say that to your fellow Trump supporters who tried to overthrow our government?

And I don't care if you 'miss' me or not.

How can you mourn the loss of your country? Name one thing that has happened in the past few days as proof the country is ruined. Not just that Kamala lost. Not a prediction. An actual fact.

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Anonymous wrote:My family is Italian American. Some vote Democrats because of labor unions. Others love Trump because they love money. Deep down, they love their Italian grandma. They find it challenging to use reason and logic. For example, there's a "we need an Italian American president" post with a photo of Sylvester Stallone who is Rocky. What about when Nancy Pelosi was the highest ranking Italian American in political office, Speaker Pelosi? You don't hear or see a peep out of them posting about what a strong leader she was and her accomplishments. And why? Back to the one issue dividing Catholics the abortion issue.

I love my family. I know my family. I know how genuinely difficult reading comprehension is for most of them. And I am one of the few people who they know and trust enough to say it. I just don't ever point out the obvious.

Anthony Fauci is also Italian American and he was much maligned by the Trump administration because of COVID and his recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so sad to see so many of you falling into Trump’s trap. A trap he and his leadership team have deliberately have laid for you.

Cult leaders WANT their followers to be isolated from family, friends and neighbors. They work, over time, to cause division and irreparable rifts, so that their followers have literally nowhere else to go, and no one to turn to.

You are playing the part he wants you to play. You are becoming the people he wants you to become: people who will never associate with family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who voted for him.

He’s using cult tactics. And you fell for it. You’re playing your part. You are the puppets and the sheep he wants you to be. He has you exactly where he wants you: playing the role of stonewall family and friends who are cutting off his voters so that they only have him to turn to.

Well what our Trump voters doing to bridge the gap? Why does it have to be us?

Ask them! Oh wait, do you know any? (Or any who are willing to tell you that they voted for him?) I’m on here asking Trump voters, too. I’m grateful to the one or two who have weighed in.

You are dancing to his tune. When he speeds up the music, you will dance yourself into a fevered frenzy. When he eases up and the music slows, you will be so deep into fight or flight, you won’t take a breath to enjoy it.

He wants you to cancel Thanksgiving with your friends and neighbors who think differently from you. He doesn’t want us together, he wants Democrats snarling and crying in their corner, and MAGAs crowing and gloating in their corner.

I’m making my own spaces with my own family, friends, and neighbors. I set the music in my life. And I’d rather take some of my cues from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Angela Alsobrooks and her opponent Larry Hogan, who have all eloquently called for unity, not division.

Yes, I do know Trump voters and have directly asked i I wasn't sure. But you know what? I do not wish to be in the company of Trump supporters. I found out recently that I will have to be but I have zero desire to make conversation with him.

Trump has already won when I was talking to them. What difference does it make if I stop?

The difference is, Trump wants you to play exactly this role. He wants you to be exactly this cog in his wheel. He wants you to keep dancing to his tune.

He wants his cult followers isolated. That is easy to do when the people who oppose him lay down and play their role, just like he wants. He wants extremism, division, and isolation.

How well you dance to his tune. How faithfully you play your role that he has scripted for you. You have a very important part to play in his plan, and you are note-perfect.

Truly, I don't know how to say this more strongly - but I am so tired of living inside the world he manifests inside his deranged head. And I think we cut off a fair amount of his power when we just don't react. So he says something else that's outrageous? Hm what are we having for dinner tonight. Deported another 15,000 people? What a shame - feel like watching an episode before bed? Oh no, have grocery prices tripled because of this stupid tariffs? Gosh, do you want to go to the movies on Friday night?

I'll donate to the orgs I think are still fighting the good fight. And for myself, I'm sorry but I'm just planning to stay as checked out as I can. I live in a state that used to be purple but is now very red - and just voted down repealing a radical abortion ban. So I'm not feeling very inclined to even donate to our local abortion funds either right now. We shouldn't have needed them but oh well, this is what people wanted. Now they get it! May it be as glorious as they hoped when they cast their vote.

In six months I may feel differently. But I think the best course for ME right now is to simply try to stay sane.

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I don't have to "work for" a permanently divided America. It is already and I just didn't see it coming. But it's been coming for probably 30 years.
Buchanan and his gun to "take back our country."
The Contract With America and Gingrich/Armey dismissal of science and expertise
Tea Party
TRUMP
I actually was one of those who thought we were inna new and better America when" we" elected Obama.
But apparently that sent a lot over the cliff into MAGA.
But apparently a Black man can be elected but no woman can.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so sad to see so many of you falling into Trump’s trap. A trap he and his leadership team have deliberately have laid for you.

Cult leaders WANT their followers to be isolated from family, friends and neighbors. They work, over time, to cause division and irreparable rifts, so that their followers have literally nowhere else to go, and no one to turn to.

You are playing the part he wants you to play. You are becoming the people he wants you to become: people who will never associate with family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who voted for him.

He’s using cult tactics. And you fell for it. You’re playing your part. You are the puppets and the sheep he wants you to be. He has you exactly where he wants you: playing the role of stonewall family and friends who are cutting off his voters so that they only have him to turn to.

Well what our Trump voters doing to bridge the gap? Why does it have to be us?

Ask them! Oh wait, do you know any? (Or any who are willing to tell you that they voted for him?) I’m on here asking Trump voters, too. I’m grateful to the one or two who have weighed in.

You are dancing to his tune. When he speeds up the music, you will dance yourself into a fevered frenzy. When he eases up and the music slows, you will be so deep into fight or flight, you won’t take a breath to enjoy it.

He wants you to cancel Thanksgiving with your friends and neighbors who think differently from you. He doesn’t want us together, he wants Democrats snarling and crying in their corner, and MAGAs crowing and gloating in their corner.

I’m making my own spaces with my own family, friends, and neighbors. I set the music in my life. And I’d rather take some of my cues from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Angela Alsobrooks and her opponent Larry Hogan, who have all eloquently called for unity, not division.

Yes, I do know Trump voters and have directly asked i I wasn't sure. But you know what? I do not wish to be in the company of Trump supporters. I found out recently that I will have to be but I have zero desire to make conversation with him.

Trump has already won when I was talking to them. What difference does it make if I stop?

The difference is, Trump wants you to play exactly this role. He wants you to be exactly this cog in his wheel. He wants you to keep dancing to his tune.

He wants his cult followers isolated. That is easy to do when the people who oppose him lay down and play their role, just like he wants. He wants extremism, division, and isolation.

How well you dance to his tune. How faithfully you play your role that he has scripted for you. You have a very important part to play in his plan, and you are note-perfect.

I have no idea what you want me to do or say to Trump supporters. How am I being played more than they were? I am not going to convince anyone so I am not going to try. I just want to have very limited contact with them

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

I do not wish ill on anyone. Where did you get that? I am mourning the lose of our country and you are minimizing it by saying i am sulky. Did you say that to your fellow Trump supporters who tried to overthrow our government?

And I don't care if you 'miss' me or not.

How can you mourn the loss of your country? Name one thing that has happened in the past few days as proof the country is ruined. Not just that Kamala lost. Not a prediction. An actual fact.

Well President Biden is still in charge. We will all find out January 20th. Until then I am not going to do your work.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

I forgot to add I like your family and wish I knew them!

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Sorry OP, but Trump and his supporters are the quintessential gaslighting abusive husband. You're the crazy one for being miserable, feeling profoundly disrespected and wanting all of it to stop.

I have an abusive husband. I recognize the similarities.

I will never make nice with Trump supporters. I will be courteous if I meet them in a professional setting, that's all. I will never accept them into my private life.

OP here. I more than get where you are coming from, but you (and others) seem to be completely failing to answer the Jed Bartlett Question: What’s Next?

What’s Next? You actively just want there to be two Americas, and for things to go on as they are, which would mean defeat after defeat in the midterms and beyond?

What’s Next? Doubt you’ll answer, but I think it’s an important question.

PP you replied to. What's Next is that life will go on and time will erase people's worse memories, because that is what has always happened, in every country, even ones where people massacred each other in the street. The default evolution is a regression to the mean. Extreme events are usually followed by more typical events.

So I don't worry about What's Next. At all!

I am a human with a limited life span, and I choose to live that very short life following basic principles of truth and justice. My inner circle cannot include Trump voters, who chose to ignore that for questionable immigration and economic policies, or anti-wokeness, or a mistaken belief that Harris is not competent. My decisions do not matter in the larger scheme of things, and my actions have meaning only for myself. The only person I owe an explanation to is myself. Everyone else is free to live according to their principles.

Don't worry about the future, OP. You cannot control it. Worry about how you will henceforth live a life that's in accord with your values and ethics.

This is what I think too. I focus on the people in my life. I’m a kind and thoughtful friend, good neighbor, raising kind and decent children, am a fair and compassionate boss and work at a place that adds a lot of value to the world. I add back to my community in ways that are meaningful to me and my people.

I am a lifelong Dem and liberal. My opinion is a lot of liberals are not checking the boxes above in reality. Focus on your own life and behavior and just get off the ride for a while.

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What I truly want is a time machine.

What I've got is continuing to muddle through. I have a lot of Trump supporters in my life. It was a real shock to me. I certainly didn't think any of these people were going to vote for the Democrats, but I'm still baffled at how they put aside so much of what I believed their values to be to vote for Trump.

At this point I simply accept that we are on different sides and I will never fully understand. I will push back on things if it's a factual issue, but I just don't bring up politics.

I will say that my level of respect for all of these people has diminished, and I think that's the worst part.

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As I explained on another thread, I do not forgive or forget this time. In 2016, I was fine with Trump voters, because despite a questionable business past and demeanor, Trump had never been President, and I thought people could be forgiven for giving him a chance.

But now, after abundant evidence he was incompetent in office and lacks the most basic respect for women and minorities? No. There is no excuse for supporting such a man, and such a party. I have lost all respect for Trump voters and am perfectly happy living without them.

And for the person asking What's Next, I don't care what's next. I can only control my own feelings and reactions, not anybody else's. We're all going to make the choices we think are best. The white males in the USA are always going to be fine, no matter how forgotten and threatened they feel, and after all, it appears it's the only group that matters. The rest of us will just have to survive until better times. We will not forget and we will not forgive.