Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

To the end of making people see how harmful this is, and hopefully choosing something better next time

We're all just stupid optimists like that

I’m so sick of hearing that “people just need to see how harmful Trump is and then this won’t happen again.” On Trump’s second time getting elected. If people didn’t learn that the first time, they ain’t gonna learn it now.

Right. It's a feature, not a bug, this is WHY they voted for him, they like it.

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I want nothing to do with my Trump supporting relatives. They voted for a man who thinks Adolf Hitler had some good ideas. He is a convicted felon. He is a racist and a rapist. There is no reason good enought to support him. If you support him, you are a monster.

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Going to laugh my butt off when the leopard eats their face

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

I think Democrats should work for this, but I also think they should embrace the whole states as a laboratory of democracy idea.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

I haven’t read every post but see you responded to mine. I think Trump is an awful person. What I meant is I felt he would be better as a president. Morally, I thought Bill Clinton was an awful person too. As a wife, I don’t see see how Hilary could have stayed with Bill. But I can separate the person from how I think they would run our country. I think Trump would do a better job running the country than Harris. That’s why I voted for him. It was that simple.

As for my family, I think they are behaving poorly in front of their grandchildren. If you reread all of my posts, they never once are trying to cut us off or freeze us out. They just won’t stop the nonstop Trump talk. It’s been going on for months. The grandchildren don’t want to be around it and would like a little attention. OP asked how we move on and i suggested families get back to basics. For example in my situation, it would be nice for grandparents to show interest in grandchildren instead of Trump hate. No, they are not threatening to cut us off. They just want to obsess over politics when the kids don’t care.

Wait what? Why would “an awful person” be a good president?

He was the president before. Things were better. Much better. We have given you reasons. And come on, do you have a job? Don’t you know people who you don’t like as people but they are competent at their job? This is why we aren’t friends with our coworkers. The person next to me has had affairs and is generally nasty to everyone at work. She’d fine to clients and gets the job done. Her personal life doesn’t affect work.

They were not. What Biden policy materially affected you in a negative way. This is the lie you tell yourself to justify why you voted for Trump. You just like him. This is why I don't want to talk politics with you and also why I have lost a lot of respect for you. It's painful, but true. You should deal with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I’m tired of being in the only party that keeps looking for connection and healing. At least for now, I’m writing people off.

OP here. When I think about my family members who voted for Trump, I don’t think they want disconnect. They’ve never stopped talking to me or inviting me or wanting good things for me and my family. I think they are hurt that “people think I’m racist because I voted for Trump” but they can’t make the connection because, to them, racism means white hoods and burning crosses, and nothing else. Sexism means you, personally, wouldn’t hire a woman or have made a woman uncomfortable at work.

So I would say the Trump voters I know want more unity and for the tension to lessen, but they think that means liberals should “get over” Trump, and they genuinely don’t see why that is problematic. They think it’s “the same” as if Trump were John McCain or Mitt Romney or someone else who ran for president as Republican in recent memories. They truly don’t get why This is Different.

So given how everyone thinks and feels and views “the other side,” what is the actual best and most productive way forward? Do you honestly think “writing people off” is going to get Democrats power back in two or four years? How? How would that possibly work?

I'm a Trump voter in DC, OP, and I would say all of this is true. I get that my many Democratic friends are smarting a bit over this election; I've been around long enough to have been on the losing side of many campaigns. But I moved on and so should they.

The country has spoken. Loudly, in fact. If you don't like it, I would submit that you consider how you, your party and other Dems might just be the ones out of step, and do some real soul-searching.

And yes, of course, I expect to move on from this in conversation and can we have lunch next week?

My answer would be no, I will not have lunch with you.

PP here. Wow. And is there any question now as to which party is truly comprised of the mentally depressed and self-absorbed?

You are not the only friend I've lost. I'm hoping that with time, you will come to see the foolishness of throwing away a 15+ year friendship over politics. I will forgive you when you're ready, and hope we can move forward then, but please know that I've now seen an ugly side of you that I will never be able to forget is there.

DP, but right back at you.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

They *might* wake up and realize their mistake and not vote for a dictator next time? ( if that is possible)

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Anonymous wrote:I would maintain friendships with liberals but I have received angry messages calling me a racist from two liberal friends this week because I wouldn’t tell them who I voted for. You’ll have to ask them.

If you voted for Trump you just told them what you think about them.. Why do you want friendship when you clearly hate them?

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

They *might* wake up and realize their mistake and not vote for a dictator next time? ( if that is possible)

And you want Harris voters in red states to suffer the most, on the front lines, in the meantime?

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I’m tired of being in the only party that keeps looking for connection and healing. At least for now, I’m writing people off.

OP here. When I think about my family members who voted for Trump, I don’t think they want disconnect. They’ve never stopped talking to me or inviting me or wanting good things for me and my family. I think they are hurt that “people think I’m racist because I voted for Trump” but they can’t make the connection because, to them, racism means white hoods and burning crosses, and nothing else. Sexism means you, personally, wouldn’t hire a woman or have made a woman uncomfortable at work.

So I would say the Trump voters I know want more unity and for the tension to lessen, but they think that means liberals should “get over” Trump, and they genuinely don’t see why that is problematic. They think it’s “the same” as if Trump were John McCain or Mitt Romney or someone else who ran for president as Republican in recent memories. They truly don’t get why This is Different.

So given how everyone thinks and feels and views “the other side,” what is the actual best and most productive way forward? Do you honestly think “writing people off” is going to get Democrats power back in two or four years? How? How would that possibly work?

I'm a Trump voter in DC, OP, and I would say all of this is true. I get that my many Democratic friends are smarting a bit over this election; I've been around long enough to have been on the losing side of many campaigns. But I moved on and so should they.

The country has spoken. Loudly, in fact. If you don't like it, I would submit that you consider how you, your party and other Dems might just be the ones out of step, and do some real soul-searching.

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dp I'm sorry but, we are not getting over this election. Trump is no Romney or McCain. He is a destroyer of our way of life.

I had a friend like you in DC and I knew she was a republican but, I didn't know she was a Trumper. When I made a mild comment she warned me not to talk about it and so I haven't had lunch with her since 2016 and I suspect I never will. Don't be surprised if your Democratic friends feel the same way. But heck you have a lot of Trump supporters you can hang out with and gloat.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

They *might* wake up and realize their mistake and not vote for a dictator next time? ( if that is possible)

And you want Harris voters in red states to suffer the most, on the front lines, in the meantime?

Dp But what can we do to save them? Even if we don't wish any harm to Harris voters in red states? And I don't. Trumpers have everything. Not much we can do.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

To the end of making people see how harmful this is, and hopefully choosing something better next time

We're all just stupid optimists like that

I’m so sick of hearing that “people just need to see how harmful Trump is and then this won’t happen again.” On Trump’s second time getting elected. If people didn’t learn that the first time, they ain’t gonna learn it now.

Right. It's a feature, not a bug, this is WHY they voted for him, they like it.

To them, the cruelty is the point.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a Trump supporter and don’t want to hear “liberal whining or self-righteousness,” or if you are a Harris supporter and you are genuinely baffled how someone could vote for a known misogynist and racist, where do you want to go from here?

In an ideal world, do you want divisions, relationships (friends, family, neighbors, coworkers), and hurts to heal? If so, what does that look like, and what role might you play in that?

If you would rather just write off the “other side,” what do you think our country will look and feel like if everyone wants that?

I have many loved ones who voted for Kamala and I don’t hold it against them (that they believed the lies from the media). I love them unconditionally. Nothing will change for me.

I have many loved ones who voted for Donald and I don’t hold it against them (that their lives are so empty that the appeal of cult tactics worked on them). I love them unconditionally. Nothing will change for me.

dp Not me! This is the one person I hold it against you. Vote Republican but, this guy no way.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

They *might* wake up and realize their mistake and not vote for a dictator next time? ( if that is possible)

And you want Harris voters in red states to suffer the most, on the front lines, in the meantime?

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No I don't want that but not much I can do.

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I wouldn't mind two separate Americas at this point, but that wouldn't work well either.