Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

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Sorry OP, but Trump and his supporters are the quintessential gaslighting abusive husband. You're the crazy one for being miserable, feeling profoundly disrespected and wanting all of it to stop.

I have an abusive husband. I recognize the similarities.

I will never make nice with Trump supporters. I will be courteous if I meet them in a professional setting, that's all. I will never accept them into my private life.

OP here. I more than get where you are coming from, but you (and others) seem to be completely failing to answer the Jed Bartlett Question: What’s Next?

What’s Next? You actively just want there to be two Americas, and for things to go on as they are, which would mean defeat after defeat in the midterms and beyond?

What’s Next? Doubt you’ll answer, but I think it’s an important question.

It is an incredibly important question. OP, thank you for continuing to try as you are. Our country desperately needs more of what OP is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be generally civil but my focus will be on preparing and protecting my own family and helping others who will be harmed by the new regime.

Yes, there is a divide that isn’t going away. You’re either ok with openly espousing and displaying Nazi beliefs, saying “your body OUR choice,” etc. or you find that repugnant. There is no middle ground.

So again, you want two countries?

After the Civil War, there was two Americas. If there had been “no middle ground,” the United States would have never moved forward enough to be able to pass laws for women to vote, for Black women to vote, for people of color to have full voting rights, for Civil Rights laws to pass, for interracial marriage, for women to open their own bank accounts, for gay couples to marry, etc.

So if we stay as “no middle ground,” how could things possibly get better than they are now?

What the f do you want, OP. Just, one more chance to punch Democrats in the face? It's not enough we lost and Trump is going to be president again - we also have to come to this on our knees looking to make peace with all the very fine people? How about you give us ten minutes to grieve and comport ourselves before this becomes all our fault again.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

[Anonymous]

I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to normalize Trump and just say that fine voting for him is "okay."

But understand your broader harder Q of "then what"?

I can't forgive Jan 6 or the danger Trump puts us in by blabbing US state secrets to counterpart world leaders.

I am somewhat sympathetic to populist economic policies, since I believe a lot of low-income voters have been disadvantaged by policies that are good for the wealthy. I won't speak against such plans if they emerge.

I don't have Trump voters among close relatives. Peripheral relatives, yes. We've already been able to coexist at gatherings without my reacting to their politics.

I will be somewhat quieter over the next 4 years. But I am biding my time.

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There are tons of us who didn’t want to vote for Trump or Harris, my entire social circle for starters. What were we supposed to do? Why weren’t better candidates put forth from the get go? I live in a state that doesn’t choose Presidents so I refrained from voting, a luxury. But if I’d been pushed I would have voted Republican and that’s Trump. Not voting for a candidate but an ideology. It’s not so cut snd dried regardless of what Democrats are saying. Look at what happened. Maybe quite casting either side as, “the devil/savior” time for a strong independent candidate not a party talking head, which both were.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

[Anonymous]

I’m distancing myself. I will be kind and professional in work settings but nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Trump voters affirmed lying, cheating, insulting and hating. These are not things I want my children to emulate. It’s hard enough to explain to them that Americans support this behavior, why would I want to directly expose them to relatives that do?

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

They will not be the first in line to suffer. They are protected by front line after line of poor people, marginalized people, immigrants. If you don’t understand that, you are sticking your head in the sand. The people who are going to start suffering first are the very people you allegedly voted to protect. And now you are wishing them ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

AMEN. Elections have consequences. Let me know when we’re great again. I’m waiting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

They will not be the first in line to suffer. They are protected by front line after line of poor people, marginalized people, immigrants. If you don’t understand that, you are sticking your head in the sand. The people who are going to start suffering first are the very people you allegedly voted to protect. And now you are wishing them ill.

Non-college educated people and Latinos voted for Trump. So. Not wishing them ill - wishing for them exactly what they voted for. May it be as good as they hoped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

I laid down and “grieved” last time, PP. It didn’t work. We don’t have the luxury.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
Its a question of morals, not political differences.

So you see two Americas. You see permanent division? Is that what you want, and what you will work for?

Np. It isn't what I want but it is our reality. Tell me why would you want to be friends with men who shout 'your body, MY choice' or friends with women who hate other women. Sorry but you can't take my rights aqay and expect me to 'make nice'