Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

You need time to grieve? Has your life been so vanilla and soft that this election’s results suddenly make you wake up to people having daily challenges in this world? I don’t have the luxuries to wallow in sorry and suddenly right now start to support the ACLU. Where have you been? Asleep this entire time.

I voted for Harris, but the privilege and sanctimony I am getting from my friends and neighbors is insane. Have you never had any awareness before? Never before felt a call to action? Worried about injustices or people suffering in regular everyday ways? Seriously. I don’t have time to “grieve”. I have to go to work, raise my kids, keep my marriage working, keep my health in check (because I’m disabled), and just keep doing what I have been doing.

I guess better late than never.

I'm sorry but what in my post gave you the impression I have no responsibilities to stay on top of. You can lay off your sanctimony, too. Or don't! But yes I am grieving - and also have to do my job and take care of my family and all the things you mentioned as well.

It went right over your head, which is typical. I roll my eyes at people who suddenly are up in arms, where have you been the last, I don’t know, 40, 30, 20, 10 years???? Like I said, it’s better late than never, because so many people just view life through their own lens or cosplay unless it actually affects them. And then they readjust their thinking.

I'm sure your post made a lot of sense to you but I genuinely don't know what you mean.

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After 2016, I worked hard to try to protect America from trump’s abuses. This time is different because a majority of Americans knew everything about Trump, his corruption, his crimes, his attacks on democracy … and even more elected him. There’s nothing to fight for anymore.

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Thanks heavens my family is sane and rational and don’t care who one another votes for, with the occasional joking around or agreeing to disagree. Some voted Trump and some voted Harris but none are like these mentally feeble lunatics posting here who can’t handle different opinions.

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Well, my family doesn't talk about religion or politics at all, which is the one thing that keeps us from each other throats. We have enough family dysfunction so we all have that in common to talk about.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

You were ready to project your glee and march victoriously over your rivals. We all know it. There was never going to be humility or humbleness in what you thought was a sure thing. That’s why this stings so badly for you. You didn’t get your moment of triumph that you felt entitled to.

No, false. You do not get to do this. There is one party in this country that constantly acts this way and it is yours. Vice President Harris graciously conceded the election to Trump. There will be a respectful transfer of power. You forgot that Trump was so small and petty he wouldn’t even participate in a long time honored tradition of the next inauguration. You are brainwashed. We are not going to take the blame for what TRUMP AND HIS ENABLERS created.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

+1 Why are they even here posting these weird questions? Shouldn’t they be tailgating somewhere, high✋🏼ing, and shot gunning cans of Bud Lite? Seems like they’re a bit nervous.

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Sorry OP, but Trump and his supporters are the quintessential gaslighting abusive husband. You're the crazy one for being miserable, feeling profoundly disrespected and wanting all of it to stop.

I have an abusive husband. I recognize the similarities.

I will never make nice with Trump supporters. I will be courteous if I meet them in a professional setting, that's all. I will never accept them into my private life.

OP here. I more than get where you are coming from, but you (and others) seem to be completely failing to answer the Jed Bartlett Question: What’s Next?

What’s Next? You actively just want there to be two Americas, and for things to go on as they are, which would mean defeat after defeat in the midterms and beyond?

What’s Next? Doubt you’ll answer, but I think it’s an important question.

PP you replied to. What's Next is that life will go on and time will erase people's worse memories, because that is what has always happened, in every country, even ones where people massacred each other in the street. The default evolution is a regression to the mean. Extreme events are usually followed by more typical events.

So I don't worry about What's Next. At all!

I am a human with a limited life span, and I choose to live that very short life following basic principles of truth and justice. My inner circle cannot include Trump voters, who chose to ignore that for questionable immigration and economic policies, or anti-wokeness, or a mistaken belief that Harris is not competent. My decisions do not matter in the larger scheme of things, and my actions have meaning only for myself. The only person I owe an explanation to is myself. Everyone else is free to live according to their principles.

Don't worry about the future, OP. You cannot control it. Worry about how you will henceforth live a life that's in accord with your values and ethics.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

It’s always democrats asking for unity, healing and a lower temperature. Americans voted for the exact opposite. We can’t be the only ones who know how to behave and value our country.

It’s disingenuous. It means time to come around to our way of thinking. Or ‘be on the right side of history’ as the arrogant ones call it. As if they and they alone have a crystal ball and know all.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

You were ready to project your glee and march victoriously over your rivals. We all know it. There was never going to be humility or humbleness in what you thought was a sure thing. That’s why this stings so badly for you. You didn’t get your moment of triumph that you felt entitled to.

No, false. You do not get to do this. There is one party in this country that constantly acts this way and it is yours. Vice President Harris graciously conceded the election to Trump. There will be a respectful transfer of power. You forgot that Trump was so small and petty he wouldn’t even participate in a long time honored tradition of the next inauguration. You are brainwashed. We are not going to take the blame for what TRUMP AND HIS ENABLERS created.

Stop the gaslighting. People everywhere were saying they wanted to finish Trump for good so they never had to see him. It was going to to be a nail in the coffin and then deprogramming for his followers.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so sad to see so many of you falling into Trump’s trap. A trap he and his leadership team have deliberately have laid for you.

Cult leaders WANT their followers to be isolated from family, friends and neighbors. They work, over time, to cause division and irreparable rifts, so that their followers have literally nowhere else to go, and no one to turn to.

You are playing the part he wants you to play. You are becoming the people he wants you to become: people who will never associate with family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who voted for him.

He’s using cult tactics. And you fell for it. You’re playing your part. You are the puppets and the sheep he wants you to be. He has you exactly where he wants you: playing the role of stonewall family and friends who are cutting off his voters so that they only have him to turn to.

Well what our Trump voters doing to bridge the gap? Why does it have to be us?

Ask them! Oh wait, do you know any? (Or any who are willing to tell you that they voted for him?) I’m on here asking Trump voters, too. I’m grateful to the one or two who have weighed in.

You are dancing to his tune. When he speeds up the music, you will dance yourself into a fevered frenzy. When he eases up and the music slows, you will be so deep into fight or flight, you won’t take a breath to enjoy it.

He wants you to cancel Thanksgiving with your friends and neighbors who think differently from you. He doesn’t want us together, he wants Democrats snarling and crying in their corner, and MAGAs crowing and gloating in their corner.

I’m making my own spaces with my own family, friends, and neighbors. I set the music in my life. And I’d rather take some of my cues from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Angela Alsobrooks and her opponent Larry Hogan, who have all eloquently called for unity, not division.

Yes, I do know Trump voters and have directly asked i I wasn't sure. But you know what? I do not wish to be in the company of Trump supporters. I found out recently that I will have to be but I have zero desire to make conversation with him.

Trump has already won when I was talking to them. What difference does it make if I stop?

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

You were ready to project your glee and march victoriously over your rivals. We all know it. There was never going to be humility or humbleness in what you thought was a sure thing. That’s why this stings so badly for you. You didn’t get your moment of triumph that you felt entitled to.

No, false. You do not get to do this. There is one party in this country that constantly acts this way and it is yours. Vice President Harris graciously conceded the election to Trump. There will be a respectful transfer of power. You forgot that Trump was so small and petty he wouldn’t even participate in a long time honored tradition of the next inauguration. You are brainwashed. We are not going to take the blame for what TRUMP AND HIS ENABLERS created.

Stop the gaslighting. People everywhere were saying they wanted to finish Trump for good so they never had to see him. It was going to to be a nail in the coffin and then deprogramming for his followers.

Dp you don't know what gaslighting means. Sure we wanted him out of our publuc sphere. But it isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is acting like January 6th wasn't a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

DP. Looks like no one will miss each other, so it's all good, PP!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so sad to see so many of you falling into Trump’s trap. A trap he and his leadership team have deliberately have laid for you.

Cult leaders WANT their followers to be isolated from family, friends and neighbors. They work, over time, to cause division and irreparable rifts, so that their followers have literally nowhere else to go, and no one to turn to.

You are playing the part he wants you to play. You are becoming the people he wants you to become: people who will never associate with family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who voted for him.

He’s using cult tactics. And you fell for it. You’re playing your part. You are the puppets and the sheep he wants you to be. He has you exactly where he wants you: playing the role of stonewall family and friends who are cutting off his voters so that they only have him to turn to.

Well what our Trump voters doing to bridge the gap? Why does it have to be us?

Ask them! Oh wait, do you know any? (Or any who are willing to tell you that they voted for him?) I’m on here asking Trump voters, too. I’m grateful to the one or two who have weighed in.

You are dancing to his tune. When he speeds up the music, you will dance yourself into a fevered frenzy. When he eases up and the music slows, you will be so deep into fight or flight, you won’t take a breath to enjoy it.

He wants you to cancel Thanksgiving with your friends and neighbors who think differently from you. He doesn’t want us together, he wants Democrats snarling and crying in their corner, and MAGAs crowing and gloating in their corner.

I’m making my own spaces with my own family, friends, and neighbors. I set the music in my life. And I’d rather take some of my cues from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Angela Alsobrooks and her opponent Larry Hogan, who have all eloquently called for unity, not division.

Yes, I do know Trump voters and have directly asked i I wasn't sure. But you know what? I do not wish to be in the company of Trump supporters. I found out recently that I will have to be but I have zero desire to make conversation with him.

Trump has already won when I was talking to them. What difference does it make if I stop?

The difference is, Trump wants you to play exactly this role. He wants you to be exactly this cog in his wheel. He wants you to keep dancing to his tune.

He wants his cult followers isolated. That is easy to do when the people who oppose him lay down and play their role, just like he wants. He wants extremism, division, and isolation.

How well you dance to his tune. How faithfully you play your role that he has scripted for you. You have a very important part to play in his plan, and you are note-perfect.