JD Vance Catholic Convert

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

I said no such thing. I said you had no idea whether they are convalidated, which would radically obviate your specious claim; the claim remains specious even absent convalidation because converts in a preexisting non-sacramental marriage are recognized as naturally married so long as the marriage took place before conversion. They are not, as you assert, required to enter into sacramental marriage after conversion. Take a look online. This situation is discussed in many places, including Canon Law Made Easy.

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https://sorrowspetawawa.com/documents/Seven%20Steps%20to%20Convalidation.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

I said no such thing. I said you had no idea whether they are convalidated, which would radically obviate your specious claim; the claim remains specious even absent convalidation because converts in a preexisting non-sacramental marriage are recognized as naturally married so long as the marriage took place before conversion. They are not, as you assert, required to enter into sacramental marriage after conversion. Take a look online. This situation is discussed in many places, including Canon Law Made Easy.

Nope

https://sorrowspetawawa.com/documents/Seven%20Steps%20to%20Convalidation.pdf

That document is pretty clearly talking about Catholics who marry outside the church, not about non-Catholics who convert after marriage. It's not relevant here.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

I can't even begin to respond to this. The ideas that Catholics aren't called to alleviate suffering, or that alleviating suffering and worshiping God are somehow in conflict are so far from Catholic teaching that I think you have to be a troll.

I didn't say we are not called to alleviate suffering. I said that worship of God comes first. Please go back to Sunday school if you don't know this, if you are even Catholic. Hint, look at what the first commandment is.

And while helping the poor and worshipping God is not in conflict on a personal level, they can absolutely be in conflict when it comes to politics.

Yes, you show respect for God in politics by following His will. Denying medical care to born children, separating children from their mothers, not protecting the lives of refugees and asylum seekers, death penalty. These are all Republican policies that go directly against the will of God. You can't claim that somehow voting against the will of God is an act of worship.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

Respect for life: feed poor, care for children, no death penalty, head start, care for elderly, don’t poison the environment, etc

Family values: families come in different shapes, sizes, colors and cultures. Respect all families. Widows of dead soldiers are still a family even if there is no man and wife.

God comes 1st: the growing trend to remain single and dedicate your life to good work instead of marriage is following in Jesus’s footsteps (1 Corinthians 7)

Its not a methodology issue it’s an impact issue .. one method has an impact the other does not.

I’m sorry men have led you so far away from your soul and the Holy Spirit, I will pray there is a path to lead you back to truly serving God our Father.

I don't even know where to start with this post. People remaining single is them trying to be like Jesus? Really? People are single because our society is lonely and messed up, people lack a respect for family life, and want to maximize consumption and pleasure. Yes, that is exactly like Jesus.

We aren’t discussing society we are discussing Jesus’s teachings and Jesus’s teaching is that remaining single is the highest calling, not marriage.

Plain and simple.

Jesus said remaining single is the highest calling and marriage is a concession for those who can’t resist satan.

come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

PS Jesus has siblings. I suspect you don’t know that.

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When did he have his kids baptized?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

I can't even begin to respond to this. The ideas that Catholics aren't called to alleviate suffering, or that alleviating suffering and worshiping God are somehow in conflict are so far from Catholic teaching that I think you have to be a troll.

I didn't say we are not called to alleviate suffering. I said that worship of God comes first. Please go back to Sunday school if you don't know this, if you are even Catholic. Hint, look at what the first commandment is.

And while helping the poor and worshipping God is not in conflict on a personal level, they can absolutely be in conflict when it comes to politics.

Yes, you show respect for God in politics by following His will. Denying medical care to born children, separating children from their mothers, not protecting the lives of refugees and asylum seekers, death penalty. These are all Republican policies that go directly against the will of God. You can't claim that somehow voting against the will of God is an act of worship.

Wait a hot minute here. Are you telling me that praying for the Sandy Hook families in church and then voting for Republicans with AR-15 Assault Rifle pins on their lapels isn’t the highest calling of Catholics? How can that be? Surely God is in favor of bump stocks and assault rifles? I mean yes, children cower under their desks and die without their mothers, but I said a prayer for them? What else could I do as a good Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

Yes if you are non Catholic … you can’t live in sin… but bad news you’re not going to heaven because you are not baptized.

Abortion by non Catholics is not a sin, hence they need to make it illegal and maybe murder that results in the death penalty which is a sin, if your Catholic.

You can’t make this stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

Yes if you are non Catholic … you can’t live in sin… but bad news you’re not going to heaven because you are not baptized.

Abortion by non Catholics is not a sin, hence they need to make it illegal and maybe murder that results in the death penalty which is a sin, if your Catholic.

You can’t make this stuff up.

Oh and if kids aren’t baptized they will all burn in hell

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

1. The OP of the quoted post didn’t know what they were talking about to begin with.

2. Catholic Canonical requirements for Christian (that is, Catholic, Sacramental) marriage apply only to Catholics. This was the entire point of the prior discussion, which the OP of the quoted post seems unable to comprehend.

3. Catholic teaching holds that there is an objective, Divine, moral law, that applies to everyone. Sexual activity between persons of the same sex, abortion, etc., violates that objective moral law.

4. But yes, there are sins that only a Catholic can commit, under most circumstances. A Catholic priest is forbidden to reveal anything heard in Confession. The priest has to be Catholic to be a priest. But, an interpreter (who doesn’t have to be Catholic) is equally bound and would sin by revealing what was heard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

1. The OP of the quoted post didn’t know what they were talking about to begin with.

2. Catholic Canonical requirements for Christian (that is, Catholic, Sacramental) marriage apply only to Catholics. This was the entire point of the prior discussion, which the OP of the quoted post seems unable to comprehend.

3. Catholic teaching holds that there is an objective, Divine, moral law, that applies to everyone. Sexual activity between persons of the same sex, abortion, etc., violates that objective moral law.

4. But yes, there are sins that only a Catholic can commit, under most circumstances. A Catholic priest is forbidden to reveal anything heard in Confession. The priest has to be Catholic to be a priest. But, an interpreter (who doesn’t have to be Catholic) is equally bound and would sin by revealing what was heard.

1. Op of the response above is not educated on Catholic teachings.

2.Vance is Catholic so must follow Catholic laws, so must marry in the church or receive dispensation (Kennedy did I’m sure Vance can). The op of the response above wants to pretend it’s all good, that’s what dispensation does.

3. Catholic teaching has a Devine law the applies to all Catholics that marriage is a sacrament and if you don’t receive the sacrament or dispensation, you are in a state of sin. Also the second you are baptized as a catholic you vow to raise your children as Catholics and if they are not baptized you’re in mortal violation of Devine moral law. (When were his kids baptized?)

4. Yes if you are not Catholic you are not held to these Devine moral laws, like his wife,

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

1. The OP of the quoted post didn’t know what they were talking about to begin with.

2. Catholic Canonical requirements for Christian (that is, Catholic, Sacramental) marriage apply only to Catholics. This was the entire point of the prior discussion, which the OP of the quoted post seems unable to comprehend.

3. Catholic teaching holds that there is an objective, Divine, moral law, that applies to everyone. Sexual activity between persons of the same sex, abortion, etc., violates that objective moral law.

4. But yes, there are sins that only a Catholic can commit, under most circumstances. A Catholic priest is forbidden to reveal anything heard in Confession. The priest has to be Catholic to be a priest. But, an interpreter (who doesn’t have to be Catholic) is equally bound and would sin by revealing what was heard.

1. Op of the response above is not educated on Catholic teachings.

2.Vance is Catholic so must follow Catholic laws, so must marry in the church or receive dispensation (Kennedy did I’m sure Vance can). The op of the response above wants to pretend it’s all good, that’s what dispensation does.

3. Catholic teaching has a Devine law the applies to all Catholics that marriage is a sacrament and if you don’t receive the sacrament or dispensation, you are in a state of sin. Also the second you are baptized as a catholic you vow to raise your children as Catholics and if they are not baptized you’re in mortal violation of Devine moral law. (When were his kids baptized?)

4. Yes if you are not Catholic you are not held to these Devine moral laws, like his wife,

Whatever you say.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?

1. The OP of the quoted post didn’t know what they were talking about to begin with.

2. Catholic Canonical requirements for Christian (that is, Catholic, Sacramental) marriage apply only to Catholics. This was the entire point of the prior discussion, which the OP of the quoted post seems unable to comprehend.

3. Catholic teaching holds that there is an objective, Divine, moral law, that applies to everyone. Sexual activity between persons of the same sex, abortion, etc., violates that objective moral law.

4. But yes, there are sins that only a Catholic can commit, under most circumstances. A Catholic priest is forbidden to reveal anything heard in Confession. The priest has to be Catholic to be a priest. But, an interpreter (who doesn’t have to be Catholic) is equally bound and would sin by revealing what was heard.

1. Op of the response above is not educated on Catholic teachings.

2.Vance is Catholic so must follow Catholic laws, so must marry in the church or receive dispensation (Kennedy did I’m sure Vance can). The op of the response above wants to pretend it’s all good, that’s what dispensation does.

3. Catholic teaching has a Devine law the applies to all Catholics that marriage is a sacrament and if you don’t receive the sacrament or dispensation, you are in a state of sin. Also the second you are baptized as a catholic you vow to raise your children as Catholics and if they are not baptized you’re in mortal violation of Devine moral law. (When were his kids baptized?)

4. Yes if you are not Catholic you are not held to these Devine moral laws, like his wife,

Vance was not Catholic when he got married. That makes the difference here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just learned that JD Vance converted to Catholicism only in the past few years. As a lifelong Catholic, I am always astonished by those who come to the faith later in life. The few I know are far more devout than others I know who grew up in the Church, including myself. Is the Church finally figuring out how to reach young people?

In Vance's case, the Catholic Church has a devout following in many neoreactionary circles that Vance travels in. This article has a good summary of the thinking behind his conversion. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're naive if you think there's anything genuine about him.

I agree that converts more generally tend to be more religious / more serious but someone with this level of meteoric rise is picking everything based on opportunism.

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